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Jerry Kraus
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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear Weap |
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy. |
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lorad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
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You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so. |
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Watcher of MarxoFascists
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 10:52 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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The 2nd amendment also only applies to within US borders. Immigrants
and tourists don't get 2nd amendment rights here.
Does the Non-Proliferation Treaty really say that power plants are
allowed? What about enrichment? And what about another nation
(Russia) aiding in both enrichment and power plants? That sounds like
proliferation to me.
And Jerry Kraus is a total Bolshevik propagandist. |
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lorad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 8:09 am, Watcher of MarxoFascists and EnviroFascists
<greenmoney2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 10:52 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 2nd amendment also only applies to within US borders. Immigrants
and tourists don't get 2nd amendment rights here.
Does the Non-Proliferation Treaty really say that power plants are
allowed? What about enrichment?
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Yes... allowed:
"The treaty recognizes the inalienable right of sovereign states to
use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, but restricts this right for
NPT parties to be exercised "in conformity with Articles I and
II" (the basic nonproliferation obligations that constitute the "first
pillar" of the Treaty). As the commercially popular light water
reactor nuclear power station uses enriched uranium fuel, it follows
that states must be able either to enrich uranium or purchase it on an
international market."
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And what about another nation
(Russia) aiding in both enrichment and power plants? That sounds like
proliferation to me.
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As long as no *weaponry* is being developed , everything is cool.
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And Jerry Kraus is a total Bolshevik propagandist.
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The kid was brainwashed somewhere. |
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Matt
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 9:09 am, Watcher of MarxoFascists and EnviroFascists
<greenmoney2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 10:52 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 2nd amendment also only applies to within US borders. Immigrants
and tourists don't get 2nd amendment rights here.
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That's questionable, but the original poster was obviously joking.
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Does the Non-Proliferation Treaty really say that power plants are
allowed? What about enrichment? And what about another nation
(Russia) aiding in both enrichment and power plants? That sounds like
proliferation to me.
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The NPT allows power plants and any other "peaceful use of nuclear
power".
Enrichment is questionable, it is one of those gray areas. If you are
using the
enriched material for power plants it is ok, but it can also be made
into bombs,
so it makes other countries nervous. The IAEA is generally responsible
for
overseeing this and making the determination.
It is acceptable for a nuclear power to help another country with
building plants
and doing enrichment under the NPT. It is not acceptable for that
country to
ship bomb making equipment, technology or knowledge (something the US
has
done).
Matt |
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chazwin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 3:52 pm, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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Oooops! To which Iran is NOT a signatory. And the USA has continually
breached since they themselves signed!
But Jerry is right to point out the irony of the NRA ect.being the
same group of rightards that demand control of foreign nations.
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..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so. |
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chazwin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 4:09 pm, Watcher of MarxoFascists and EnviroFascists
<greenmoney2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 10:52 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 2nd amendment also only applies to within US borders. Immigrants
and tourists don't get 2nd amendment rights here.
Does the Non-Proliferation Treaty really say that power plants are
allowed? What about enrichment? And what about another nation
(Russia) aiding in both enrichment and power plants? That sounds like
proliferation to me.
And Jerry Kraus is a total Bolshevik propagandist.
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He is simply pointing out, through irony, the hypocracy of the USA
which demands controls in foreign countries that the USA will not
engage in itself. |
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chazwin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 4:17 pm, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 8:09 am, Watcher of MarxoFascists and EnviroFascists
greenmoney2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 10:52 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 2nd amendment also only applies to within US borders. Immigrants
and tourists don't get 2nd amendment rights here.
Does the Non-Proliferation Treaty really say that power plants are
allowed? What about enrichment?
Yes... allowed:
"The treaty recognizes the inalienable right of sovereign states to
use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, but restricts this right for
NPT parties to be exercised "in conformity with Articles I and
II" (the basic nonproliferation obligations that constitute the "first
pillar" of the Treaty). As the commercially popular light water
reactor nuclear power station uses enriched uranium fuel, it follows
that states must be able either to enrich uranium or purchase it on an
international market."
And what about another nation
(Russia) aiding in both enrichment and power plants? That sounds like
proliferation to me.
As long as no *weaponry* is being developed , everything is cool.
And Jerry Kraus is a total Bolshevik propagandist.
The kid was brainwashed somewhere.
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It is clear that the brainwashing happened in your own head. |
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Sri Bodhi Prana
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 8:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: |
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
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So you support the right of US citizens to own personal nuclear
devices?
Sri Bodhi Prana |
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Sri Bodhi Prana
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 9:41 am, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Oooops! To which Iran is NOT a signatory. And the USA has continually
breached since they themselves signed!
But Jerry is right to point out the irony of the NRA ect.being the
same group of rightards that demand control of foreign nations.
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Sure it is, but Israel, India, North Korea and Pakistan are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
Sri Bodhi Prana |
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lorad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 8:48 am, "Topp@Work" <toppro...@comcast.net> wrote:
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"lorad" <lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:989f0794-706e-418f-a508-2f229a5b97b4@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
he 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
Agreed...Unless they adopt a similar constitution.
he pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
urisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
.which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
f it wishes to do so.
Only if they adhere to the Treaty, and they are not...
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As far as I know they have adhered to the NP Treaty.
What makes you think they have not? |
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lorad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 8:41 am, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 3:52 pm, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Oooops! To which Iran is NOT a signatory. And the USA has continually
breached since they themselves signed!
But Jerry is right to point out the irony of the NRA ect.being the
same group of rightards that demand control of foreign nations.
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???
There is no indication that the NRA has attempted to control other
nations.
Control your imagination. |
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lorad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 8:43 am, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 11, 4:17 pm, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 8:09 am, Watcher of MarxoFascists and EnviroFascists
greenmoney2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 10:52 am, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
You are a silly dunderhead.. as well as a Stalin devote'
The 2nd ammendment only applies to US citizens.
The pertinent prohibition of nukes for Iran fall under the
jurisdiction of the International Non-Proliferation Treaty.
..which, BTW, says that any nation can develop nuclear power plants -
if it wishes to do so.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 2nd amendment also only applies to within US borders. Immigrants
and tourists don't get 2nd amendment rights here.
Does the Non-Proliferation Treaty really say that power plants are
allowed? What about enrichment?
Yes... allowed:
"The treaty recognizes the inalienable right of sovereign states to
use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, but restricts this right for
NPT parties to be exercised "in conformity with Articles I and
II" (the basic nonproliferation obligations that constitute the "first
pillar" of the Treaty). As the commercially popular light water
reactor nuclear power station uses enriched uranium fuel, it follows
that states must be able either to enrich uranium or purchase it on an
international market."
And what about another nation
(Russia) aiding in both enrichment and power plants? That sounds like
proliferation to me.
As long as no *weaponry* is being developed , everything is cool.
And Jerry Kraus is a total Bolshevik propagandist.
The kid was brainwashed somewhere.
It is clear that the brainwashing happened in your own head.
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Anybody that attempts to act as apologist for the murderous scum
Stalin has proved that he is brain-damaged.
You too, it seems. |
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lorad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 9:35 am, Bill Smith <quand...@newsguy.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear non proliferation treaty and should
be held to the agreement they made.
Yes. And so let us know when it is out-of-compliance. |
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Jim Austin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Second Amendment:"Iran has the right to develop Nuclear |
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On Jul 11, 7:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
Can there be any question that freedom loving Americans, everywhere,
must support the right of the democratically elected Iranian
government to develop nuclear weapons? Can there be any question that
the Supreme Court of the United States would vote to support this
right of the Iranian people and government to maintain the freedom of
their nation against foreign invasion? Can there be any doubt that
the NRA, American survivalists, libertarians, and good American
Christians -- with their love of freedom and individual liberty --
are, even as we speak, gathering funds to support the development of
nuclear weapons in Iran, and sending them on to the goverment of Iran
with their love, and kind wishes?
I hardly think so.
Anything else, would be hypocrisy.
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Little wonder liberals eagerly grant to hostile nations rights that
they deny Americans. |
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