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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
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Ken S. Tucker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
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-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
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LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Once again, I'm afraid your understanding of history
is less than complete  . zinger...........
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sigvaldi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 1, 3:07 pm, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
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-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
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The Vikings did usually not row their ocean-going vessels, these were
sailing ships.
But you are right about the icebergs, those are usually not a threat
to shipping in the late summer and autum. |
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sigvaldi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
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Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
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Once again, I'm afraid your understanding of history
is less than complete . zinger...........
Ken
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Is yours complete? |
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Ken S. Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
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Here's a start...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
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Once again, I'm afraid your understanding of history
is less than complete . zinger...........
Ken
Is yours complete?
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Gotta keep dow in his cage, otherwise his head
swells up even more!
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Ken S. Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 6:17 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
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On Jul 1, 3:07 pm, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
The Vikings did usually not row their ocean-going vessels, these were
sailing ships.
But you are right about the icebergs, those are usually not a threat
to shipping in the late summer and autum.
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There are predictions that the Arctic ice cap will
complete melt during the summer, which should
reduce icebergs, perhaps to nil.
There is strong evidence the Vikings had trade
routes way up to Ellesmere Island, and were
unhampered by icebergs, as Baffin was.
Does the Viking history corelate to the possibility
the cap may have melted around 1100AD?
Why did the glaciers form then recede?
Regards
Ken |
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sigvaldi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 4:15 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat..
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
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This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
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Once again, I'm afraid your understanding of history
is less than complete . zinger...........
Ken
Is yours complete?
Gotta keep dow in his cage, otherwise his head
swells up even more!
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sigvaldi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 5:01 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 6:17 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 3:07 pm, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
The Vikings did usually not row their ocean-going vessels, these were
sailing ships.
But you are right about the icebergs, those are usually not a threat
to shipping in the late summer and autum.
There are predictions that the Arctic ice cap will
complete melt during the summer, which should
reduce icebergs, perhaps to nil.
There is strong evidence the Vikings had trade
routes way up to Ellesmere Island, and were
unhampered by icebergs, as Baffin was.
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The Sagas tell us of icebergs around the south of Greenland in the
period of the settlement and later and I have not seen any evidence
that they traded as far north as Ellesmere.
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Does the Viking history corelate to the possibility
the cap may have melted around 1100AD?
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No.
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Why did the glaciers form then recede?
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Greenland was just as glaciated then as it is now, there are lare
areas (Greenland is a big country) that are ice-free in the south and
west of the country, allowing agriculture (mostly animal husbandry) in
those areas. |
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Ken S. Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 10:20 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 4:15 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
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I wrote, that's a start. You certainly can't expect an
expert to research for a student!
Regards
Ken |
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sigvaldi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 5:58 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 10:20 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
I wrote, that's a start. You certainly can't expect an
expert to research for a student!
Regards
Ken-
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I really think you should rethink that statement, I have not been a
student for a very long time.
I have not come across any indication that the Greenland settlers ever
went as far north as the Ellesmere island. |
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Ken S. Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 11:43 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 5:58 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:20 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
I wrote, that's a start. You certainly can't expect an
expert to research for a student!
Regards
Ken-
I really think you should rethink that statement, I have not been a
student for a very long time.
I have not come across any indication that the Greenland settlers ever
went as far north as the Ellesmere island.
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Well then it's news to you, study up there kid .
And use accurate terms, it's inaccurate to misquote
by implication "settlers" on E island, I specifically
wrote "traders", as in "sea access".
Recently, much more exploration activity has been
done up north, and reveals factual evidence of Viking
trade at that latitude, btw it's a surprise to me too.
What does that mean visa-via the ice cap?
Regards
Ken |
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sigvaldi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 11:43 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:58 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:20 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
I wrote, that's a start. You certainly can't expect an
expert to research for a student!
Regards
Ken-
I really think you should rethink that statement, I have not been a
student for a very long time.
I have not come across any indication that the Greenland settlers ever
went as far north as the Ellesmere island.
And use accurate terms, it's inaccurate to misquote
by implication "settlers" on E island, I specifically
wrote "traders", as in "sea access".
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I was referring to the settlers of Greenland, I was not implying that
they were settling Ellesmere island, read carefully what you are
replying to.
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Recently, much more exploration activity has been
done up north, and reveals factual evidence of Viking
trade at that latitude, btw it's a surprise to me too.
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Yes, I know very well that Viking artefacts were found up there, that
was not news to me but that in itself is not an evidence that the
traders ever went that far north.
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What does that mean visa-via the ice cap?
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Nothing, see my other posts below. |
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Ken S. Tucker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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On Jul 2, 3:38 pm, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
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On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 11:43 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:58 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:20 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 2, 6:19 am, sigvaldi <sigv...@binet.is> wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:07 am, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
-> The Vikings set-up some shipping between
-> Scandanavia, Iceland, Greenland and Canada,
-> and they weren't bothered by icebergs, I
-> wonder why they weren't?
-> Regards
-> Ken
The Vikings *rowed* westward across the Atlantic. The prevailing winds
blow the other way. An iceberg isn't much of a threat to a row-boat.
The relative speed is too small. And icebergs are common for only a
small part of the year.
LOL, how did Vikings establish trade routes to
Ellesmere Island (1100AD) , when Baffin 1600 AD
couldn't do it ??? and he had a better ship!
Where did you read that the Vikings went to Ellesmere island?
Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
I wrote, that's a start. You certainly can't expect an
expert to research for a student!
Regards
Ken-
I really think you should rethink that statement, I have not been a
student for a very long time.
I have not come across any indication that the Greenland settlers ever
went as far north as the Ellesmere island.
And use accurate terms, it's inaccurate to misquote
by implication "settlers" on E island, I specifically
wrote "traders", as in "sea access".
I was referring to the settlers of Greenland, I was not implying that
they were settling Ellesmere island, read carefully what you are
replying to.
Recently, much more exploration activity has been
done up north, and reveals factual evidence of Viking
trade at that latitude, btw it's a surprise to me too.
Yes, I know very well that Viking artefacts were found up there, that
was not news to me but that in itself is not an evidence that the
traders ever went that far north.
What does that mean visa-via the ice cap?
Nothing, see my other posts below.
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Ok, fair enough. You are unable to extrapolate
climatic information from Viking explorations.
Regards
Ken |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Global warming 12,000 BC. |
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Here's a start...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellesmere_Island
your welcome.
This is a Wikipedia article, I was asking about a reference.
I wrote, that's a start. You certainly can't expect an
expert to research for a student!
Regards
Ken
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Experts often ask other experts for references in their research.
Asking for research does not mean he is a student. |
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