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 Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the poor |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkfmY1PMng
quote: "Introduction to the book, 'Ricardo's Law ~ House Prices and the
Great Tax Clawback Scam' by Fred Harrison: http://www.fredharrison.org
Ricardo's Law points lawmakers, policy analysts and social reformers
toward a model of public finances that is fair and would deliver
prosperity to everyone."
So much for the progressivity of western democracy today. You pat
yourself on the back because you are soooo enlightened, democratic, and
has supposdly moved beyond the primitivity of ages past, but in fact, we
are still in the feudal age, and most people have no idea that it is so
(they hardly know what the word means...  ). Because we have broad
democracy and not monarchy anymore, then it is reasoned that all MUST be
well, and the end of history is here with social progress and equality
for all et cetera et cetera.
It is not so at all. The titles of nobility are still there, but there
are more people with them, and they are less formal and aristocratic
today than they were then, and the privilege bestowed upon the
titleholder is more subtle.
Here's your choice as a citizen today: Go to work and break your back on
making a living for yourself, your family and the invisible landlord, or
go on welfare, and become a subservient vote sheep of politicians who
stuff your ears full of garbage about fighting for your rights and
welfare, but still in the end serving the priviliged classes - and NOT
you.
That's your cake; eat it!
--
regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain |
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radav
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jun 29, 12:36 pm, no...@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkfmY1PMng
quote: "Introduction to the book, 'Ricardo's Law ~ House Prices and the
Great Tax Clawback Scam' by Fred Harrison:http://www.fredharrison.org
Ricardo's Law points lawmakers, policy analysts and social reformers
toward a model of public finances that is fair and would deliver
prosperity to everyone."
So much for the progressivity of western democracy today. You pat
yourself on the back because you are soooo enlightened, democratic, and
has supposdly moved beyond the primitivity of ages past, but in fact, we
are still in the feudal age, and most people have no idea that it is so
(they hardly know what the word means... ). Because we have broad
democracy and not monarchy anymore, then it is reasoned that all MUST be
well, and the end of history is here with social progress and equality
for all et cetera et cetera.
It is not so at all. The titles of nobility are still there, but there
are more people with them, and they are less formal and aristocratic
today than they were then, and the privilege bestowed upon the
titleholder is more subtle.
Here's your choice as a citizen today: Go to work and break your back on
making a living for yourself, your family and the invisible landlord, or
go on welfare, and become a subservient vote sheep of politicians who
stuff your ears full of garbage about fighting for your rights and
welfare, but still in the end serving the priviliged classes - and NOT
you.
That's your cake; eat it!
--
regards , Peter B. P. -http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain
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This post is on target. It all begins with land. Both the "housing or
credit crisis" and the oil price spike have their genesis in economic
rent or as I prefer to call it ground rent seeking (speculative or
anticipated ground rent) which is capitalized into ever higher prices
for land until an eventual bust.
To find out more about this- see my website <a href="http://
members.tripod.com/~physiocrat/index.html">political economy primer</a> |
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Werner
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jun 29, 3:36Â pm, no...@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkfmY1PMng
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It is not so at all. The titles of nobility are still there, but there
are more people with them, and they are less formal and aristocratic
today than they were then, and the privilege bestowed upon the
titleholder is more subtle.
Here's your choice as a citizen today: Go to work and break your back on
making a living for yourself, your family and the invisible landlord, or
go on welfare, and become a subservient vote sheep of politicians who
stuff your ears full of garbage about fighting for your rights and
welfare, but still in the end serving the priviliged classes - and NOT
you.
That's your cake; eat it!
--
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As welfare people get politicians to force others to pay their bills
for them it seems reasonable to consider them nobility. They are a
socialist aristocracy.
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others. 
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
 ---- 
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Tired of Politics as Usual? Do something. 
Â
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/RevolutionMarch.html |
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Werner
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jun 29, 5:43 pm, radav <ra...@webtv.net> wrote:
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This post is on target. It all begins with land. Both the "housing or
credit crisis" and the oil price spike have their genesis in economic
rent or as I prefer to call it ground rent seeking (speculative or
anticipated ground rent) which is capitalized into ever higher prices
for land until an eventual bust.
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Actually, both have their genesis in easy money. Easy money has its
genesis in debt. Debt has its genesis in spending more than earning. |
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whatsanike
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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"PeterBP" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
news:1ijbfju.819wzo1ji6crgN%noway@jose.com...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkfmY1PMng
quote: "Introduction to the book, 'Ricardo's Law ~ House Prices and the
Great Tax Clawback Scam' by Fred Harrison: http://www.fredharrison.org
Ricardo's Law points lawmakers, policy analysts and social reformers
toward a model of public finances that is fair and would deliver
prosperity to everyone."
So much for the progressivity of western democracy today. You pat
yourself on the back because you are soooo enlightened, democratic, and
has supposdly moved beyond the primitivity of ages past, but in fact, we
are still in the feudal age, and most people have no idea that it is so
(they hardly know what the word means... ). Because we have broad
democracy and not monarchy anymore, then it is reasoned that all MUST be
well, and the end of history is here with social progress and equality
for all et cetera et cetera.
It is not so at all. The titles of nobility are still there, but there
are more people with them, and they are less formal and aristocratic
today than they were then, and the privilege bestowed upon the
titleholder is more subtle.
Here's your choice as a citizen today: Go to work and break your back on
making a living for yourself, your family and the invisible landlord, or
go on welfare, and become a subservient vote sheep of politicians who
stuff your ears full of garbage about fighting for your rights and
welfare, but still in the end serving the priviliged classes - and NOT
you.
That's your cake; eat it!
WTF are you talking about? how does this information get anyone anywhere? |
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radav
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jun 29, 4:41 pm, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
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On Jun 29, 5:43 pm, radav <ra...@webtv.net> wrote:
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This post is on target. It all begins with land. Both the "housing or
credit crisis" and the oil price spike have their genesis in economic
rent or as I prefer to call it ground rent seeking (speculative or
anticipated ground rent) which is capitalized into ever higher prices
for land until an eventual bust.
Actually, both have their genesis in easy money. Easy money has its
genesis in debt. Debt has its genesis in spending more than earning.
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Easy money or low interest rates does play a part in creating a boom
in land prices. For example; other things being equal, given a ground
rent (either actual or speculative) of $20000 and a capitalization
rate of 5% the price of land would be $400000. At a capitalization
rate of 10% the price would be $200000. At 2%, under the same
scenario, the price would zoom to $1000000. Recently, the Fed has been
desparately attempting to get land prices moving higher again
. Obviously, there is no political interest in collecting the ground
rent at its source so that there is little or no ground rent to
capitalize.
<http://members.tripod.com/~physiocrat/index.html> |
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Werner
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jul 1, 7:36Â am, "Dan in Philly" <d...@aol.com> wrote:
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"radav" <ra...@webtv.net> wrote in message ...
Recently, the Fed has been
desparately attempting to get land prices moving higher again
The Fed doesn't care about land prices. It only cares about inflation (goods
and services, not assets) and unemployment.
Dan in Philly
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Still, easy money to help employment is at the cost of inflation and
economic inefficiency. There is no free lunch. Some benefit at the
cost of others. Should the market decide this? Or should politics?
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others. 
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
 ---- 
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Tired of Politics as Usual? Do something. 
Â
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/RevolutionMarch.html |
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Dan in Philly
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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"radav" <radav@webtv.net> wrote in message ...
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Recently, the Fed has been
desparately attempting to get land prices moving higher again
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The Fed doesn't care about land prices. It only cares about inflation (goods
and services, not assets) and unemployment.
Dan in Philly |
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Werner
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jul 1, 12:09Â pm, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:07:05 -0700, Werner wrote:
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Still, easy money to help employment is at the cost of inflation and
economic inefficiency.
That is only true because gutless politicians refuse to tax appropriately.
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That actually gutless politicians want to buy votes.
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others. 
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
 ---- 
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Tired of Politics as Usual? Do something. 
Â
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/RevolutionMarch.html
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 There is no free lunch.
Oh but there is. Â It is called ownership of the means of production. Â Such
ownership is in the best interest of the society if it encourages
innovation and _real_ capital development. Â The ownership of natural
resources doe not do that.
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The reason you can still afford salmon and buffalo is because they are
now farmed. |
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Werner
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jul 1, 2:53 pm, ro...@telus.net wrote:
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:38:48 -0700 (PDT), Werner <whetz...@mac.com
wrote:
On Jun 29, 3:36=C2=A0pm, no...@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6ZkfmY1PMng
=2E..
It is not so at all. The titles of nobility are still there, but there
are more people with them, and they are less formal and aristocratic
today than they were then, and the privilege bestowed upon the
titleholder is more subtle.
Here's your choice as a citizen today: Go to work and break your back on
making a living for yourself, your family and the invisible landlord, or
go on welfare, and become a subservient vote sheep of politicians who
stuff your ears full of garbage about fighting for your rights and
welfare, but still in the end serving the priviliged classes - and NOT
you.
That's your cake; eat it!
As welfare people get politicians to force others to pay their bills
for them it seems reasonable to consider them nobility. They are a
socialist aristocracy.
?? ROTFL!!
Yeah, the poor are the aristocracy, the idle rich are the exploited
underclass...
In fact, of course, it is the rent-collecting aristocracy that gets
politicians to force others to pay its bills
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If politicians had little power they could dispense fewer privileges
to either rent-collecting aristocracy or rent-collecting welfare
recipients.
, and the amount of money
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they collect in return for contributing nothing is an order of
magnitude more than the poor get in welfare.
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I hope you hand over your pay check to the poor.
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Ever thought of READING what you write before posting it?
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as much as you do.
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Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.
Right: privileges for the rent-collecting rich at the expense of the
productive.
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How are the socialist aristocrats on welfare productive? |
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The Trucker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:07:05 -0700, Werner wrote:
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On Jul 1, 7:36 am, "Dan in Philly" <d...@aol.com> wrote:
"radav" <ra...@webtv.net> wrote in message ...
Recently, the Fed has been
desparately attempting to get land prices moving higher again
The Fed doesn't care about land prices. It only cares about inflation (goods
and services, not assets) and unemployment.
Dan in Philly
Still, easy money to help employment is at the cost of inflation and
economic inefficiency.
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That is only true because gutless politicians refuse to tax appropriately.
There is no free lunch.
Oh but there is. It is called ownership of the means of production. Such
ownership is in the best interest of the society if it encourages
innovation and _real_ capital development. The ownership of natural
resources doe not do that.
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Some benefit at the
cost of others. Should the market decide this? Or should politics?
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Both.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend |
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PeterBP
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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Dan in Philly <djr8@aol.com> wrote:
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"radav" <radav@webtv.net> wrote in message ...
Recently, the Fed has been
desparately attempting to get land prices moving higher again
The Fed doesn't care about land prices. It only cares about inflation (goods
and services, not assets) and unemployment.
Dan in Philly
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Not quite - it has interest in Seignorage - that is, the profit from
minting money.
--
regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT), Werner <whetzner@mac.com>
wrote:
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On Jun 29, 5:43=A0pm, radav <ra...@webtv.net> wrote:
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This post is on target. It all begins with land. Both the "housing or
credit crisis" and the oil price spike have their genesis in economic
rent or as I prefer to call it ground rent seeking (speculative or
anticipated ground rent) which is capitalized into ever higher prices
for land until an eventual bust.
Actually, both have their genesis in easy money. Easy money has its
genesis in debt. Debt has its genesis in spending more than earning.
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So many errors, so little time...
The current "crises" may have to do with easy money, but only because
in a debt money system, easy money is needed to prevent a CHRONIC
crisis of persistent deflation.
Easy money has its genesis in debt because virtually all our money IS
debt: there is no way to create money other than by lending it into
existence at interest.
And spending more than earning is exactly the problem, but not in the
way you mean. The people spending more than they are earning are the
rent-collecting parasites -- landowners, mortgage lenders and IP
owners -- who like to spend the economic rent that by definition they
cannot possibly be earning.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:38:48 -0700 (PDT), Werner <whetzner@mac.com>
wrote:
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On Jun 29, 3:36=C2=A0pm, no...@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6ZkfmY1PMng
=2E..
It is not so at all. The titles of nobility are still there, but there
are more people with them, and they are less formal and aristocratic
today than they were then, and the privilege bestowed upon the
titleholder is more subtle.
Here's your choice as a citizen today: Go to work and break your back on
making a living for yourself, your family and the invisible landlord, or
go on welfare, and become a subservient vote sheep of politicians who
stuff your ears full of garbage about fighting for your rights and
welfare, but still in the end serving the priviliged classes - and NOT
you.
That's your cake; eat it!
As welfare people get politicians to force others to pay their bills
for them it seems reasonable to consider them nobility. They are a
socialist aristocracy.
|
?? ROTFL!!
Yeah, the poor are the aristocracy, the idle rich are the exploited
underclass...
In fact, of course, it is the rent-collecting aristocracy that gets
politicians to force others to pay its bills, and the amount of money
they collect in return for contributing nothing is an order of
magnitude more than the poor get in welfare.
Ever thought of READING what you write before posting it?
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Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.
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Right: privileges for the rent-collecting rich at the expense of the
productive.
-- Roy L |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Jul 1, 6:14 pm, "Dan in Philly" <d...@aol.com> wrote:
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"PeterBP" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message ...
The Fed doesn't care about land prices. It only cares about inflation
(goods
and services, not assets) and unemployment.
Not quite - it has interest in Seignorage - that is, the profit from
minting money.
Technically, the government gets the seignorage. Ben Bernanke gets paid a
straight salary.
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I've been told that the Mint sells to the Fed at face value who sells
to the member
banks at the same price (or slightly discounted one can find for
oneself at
http://www.usmint.gov/
Cash is sold from the Treasury to the Fed a printing cost.
The life of a coin is much longer than a bill. |
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