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The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the poor
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

PeterBP wrote:
Quote:
Well yeah, but the media hype on porn has sheeple consent, in this case
to the prosecution of thought crime.

The silence of Libertarians on this is deafening.

What was this about again?
Even the Libertarians, who should be for both private property rights

and the freedom to think, should realize that thought crime is a tool to
limit private property rights.

Someone could email you some computer generated child porn, which you
may or may not see, and even if you trash it, the bit pattern usually
stays on your hard drive.

Then, they could tip off law enforcement who can come to seize your PC,
find the offending material, and drag your ass into court. By the time
you get done paying the lawyers to defend you, you are broke.

Dig it Peter. They no longer havta prove you ever had your hands on a
kid to prove you to be a pedophile.

With regard to the poor; back when we had them on the land, they could
at least feed themselves. The physical activity and seasonal demands
made them pay attention, and that in turn made them more rational. How
else could they have survived evolution to remain in the gene pool?

But now, in the name of corporate profits, we've moved them to urban
ghettos, which they were not psychologically evolved to live in, give
them foodstamps, and then have to manage the sociopathology case load
that results. Moreover, the contaminated and/or deficient diets they've
used to raise their kids has aggrevated problems with ADD, crime, drug
addition, and so on.

I was born on a farm Peter in 1939; we fed the horses oats cause we
wanted strong smart horses. We fed the pigs corn cause we wanted bacon
and nobody wants a smart pig. If what I wanted was a generation of
stupid kids, I'd raise them on soulfood. we were raised on oats.

The landed aristocracy, going all the way back to Rome, always wanted
monoculture to maximize profits and minimize the cost of feeding the
slave classes. We have the neurological studies now to show how this
limited diet keeps the slave class stupid. The bog body stomachs and
village bone middens beyond the empire shows over 100 wild plants and
animals in the diet over the course of the last 10,000 years.

Jared Diamond, "Collapse" reports that 80% of global agribusiness raises
just five crops: corn, wheat, soybeans, rice, and cotton. And they do it
with massive doses of chemicals. This maximizes profit, but also causes
a host of sociopathologies the rich do not have to pay for. You do; part
of your tax money maintains and builds prisons.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:

Quote:
PeterBP wrote:
Well yeah, but the media hype on porn has sheeple consent, in this case
to the prosecution of thought crime.

The silence of Libertarians on this is deafening.

What was this about again?
Even the Libertarians, who should be for both private property rights
and the freedom to think, should realize that thought crime is a tool to
limit private property rights.

Someone could email you some computer generated child porn, which you
may or may not see, and even if you trash it, the bit pattern usually
stays on your hard drive.

Then, they could tip off law enforcement who can come to seize your PC,
find the offending material, and drag your ass into court. By the time
you get done paying the lawyers to defend you, you are broke.

....and your reputation forever soiled. I know the score.

Quote:

Dig it Peter. They no longer havta prove you ever had your hands on a
kid to prove you to be a pedophile.

Oh, I know that quite well. But since when has this been an angle to
attack the wide crowd of libertarians? That's whats's puzzling me.

Quote:

With regard to the poor; back when we had them on the land, they could
at least feed themselves. The physical activity and seasonal demands
made them pay attention, and that in turn made them more rational. How
else could they have survived evolution to remain in the gene pool?

But now, in the name of corporate profits, we've

correction: not "we", but government. I'm not for the existence of
ghettos that amplify social ills like crime, violence, dependence and
general poverty many-fold.

Quote:
moved them to urban
ghettos, which they were not psychologically evolved to live in, give
them foodstamps, and then have to manage the sociopathology case load
that results. Moreover, the contaminated and/or deficient diets they've
used to raise their kids has aggrevated problems with ADD, crime, drug
addition, and so on.

Assuming that, fx. ADD is an actual ailment, and not just another fad on
which Big Drugs can market some more products and harvest more bucks.

Quote:

I was born on a farm Peter in 1939; we fed the horses oats cause we
wanted strong smart horses. We fed the pigs corn cause we wanted bacon
and nobody wants a smart pig. If what I wanted was a generation of
stupid kids, I'd raise them on soulfood. we were raised on oats.

The landed aristocracy, going all the way back to Rome,

Only that far? I'm inclined to believe that this breed has existed as
far as agriculture has existed, perhaps even further (rich hunting
grounds were likely contested back in the neolithic stone age, though
this is perhaps just an extension of basic territorialism).

Quote:
always wanted
monoculture to maximize profits and minimize the cost of feeding the
slave classes. We have the neurological studies now to show how this
limited diet keeps the slave class stupid.

It depends. Too low calorie intake does indeel limit your potential for
both physical and mental achievements, but we are in the opposite ditch
today - the problem is not under-nourishment, but over-nourishment (has
the US reached 25% obesity rate yet?)

Quote:
The bog body stomachs and
village bone middens beyond the empire shows over 100 wild plants and
animals in the diet over the course of the last 10,000 years.

Jared Diamond, "Collapse" reports that 80% of global agribusiness raises
just five crops: corn, wheat, soybeans, rice, and cotton. And they do it
with massive doses of chemicals. This maximizes profit, but also causes
a host of sociopathologies the rich do not have to pay for. You do; part
of your tax money maintains and builds prisons.

Indeed. (And the truly wicked thing is that the tax money of ordinary
citizens is spent on punishing not only people innocent of actual crime
- it eradicates the character of those unfortunate enough to be caough
in that predicament.)

And; Interesting you should mention that book, I have it on my shelf on
the next-to-read list.


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- Peter *** http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

Peter, I warn Libertarians in particular because they are that minority
able to think outside of the Liberal or Conservative mind frame and-
theoretically at least- value individual rights.

History repeatedly shows us what the delusional majorities do to the
perceived minorities, most especially in chaotic times of economic
crisis when the price of demagogic policy must be paid. We can expect
the corporate media hacks to seek ways of discrediting those who did
understand the problem before them, and pedophilia is the most facile
tool I've seen for this yet.

To some extent the power elites before the Romans relied on monoculture;
however, the productive efficiency and organizational skill of the
Romans really ramped up the effect. Diamond writes of the fall of the
Maya, who used maize in a similarly effective way. He, however, seems
unaware of the lower quality of protein which produced a power elite
that was even more nuts. The Romans, after all, were not into dragging
POWs up on top of pyramids to cut their hearts out.

Conversely, when European farmers found the fertile soils of the north
produced hard winter wheat with 26% protein, (compared to 8% for corn)
their kids grew up smarter than ever, and we see the innovation that
arose out of the Universities from Minnesota to New York.

The problem with nourishment now is that traces of the agribusiness
chemicals, which earlier innovative generations didnt have, mimic some
of the trace minerals and micronutrients plants absorb from what we now
call "organic" soils. And as a result, some of the 150 neurotransmitters
try to use these molecules when laying down new neural pathways during
learning. Some kids are lucky, and grow up rational anyway. But some
gene pools are at greater risk and/or have different reactions, eg,
autism with Whites, ADD with Blacks.

Then too, back during the stone age, life went on pretty much as before
with stiff competition among the warriors for hunting grounds. As Lebanc
says in "Constant Battles". But in Europe, the real enemy was old Man
Winter. The Mammoth bone Longhouses on the Don for instance, were 100
miles apart, and the survivors of those long winters had 100 times as
much hunting territory per hunter.

They didnt need aggressive warriors, whose impulsiveness risked injury
to the women and kids in the close quarters of a Longhouse. What they
evolved was a race of men who could sit back and practice crafts, chill
out, and wait for spring without getting up tight about who the women
were having sex with. The close air of the Longhouse was just overdosed
on pheremones.

This paid off big time after the ice age when agriculture came in. Both
LeBlanc in "Constant Battles" and Pinker in "The Blank Slate" report
that the rate of trauma seen on the skeletons of yeoman farmer graves
was just 5% of what has been recorded among tropical hunters. Diamond
reports that when the Whiteman arrived, 25% of the New Guinea Highlander
men died in battle. The rate during WWII, among Whitemen on both sides
was 2%-3%. It was not the viciousness or aggression of Whitemen in war
and the colonies that caused so much death, but their machinery.

Ever butchered a hog? Lotsa White guys aint got the stomach for it; but
put a sniper rifle in their hands, where they dont have to look the
victim in the eye or get blood on their pants, and they are deadly.

If we really cared about the oppressed races, we'd move them out of the
urban ghettos and into small rural villages that are more on the scale
of their own ancestral traditions. There's lotsa marginal land along
rivers and creeks where the guys could go out to hunt and fish, and
thereby fulfill their instincts without hunting each other.

Course, that would mean that a lotta welfare bureaucrats would be out of
a job, and well... we cant have that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:14:41 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com>
wrote:

Quote:
royls@telus.net> wrote in message ...
It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen.

But if the original producer (God in this case) leaves his product sitting
around unused, they you have the right to claim it.

No, you don't, because that violates others' rights to use it. There
is no right to extinguish others' rights.

-- Roy L
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:30:42 +0200, noway@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:

Quote:
Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocating
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.

That claim is absurd on its face. "Legitimacy" that is conferred by
nothing other than law, as the legitimacy of private land titles is,
can just as legitimately -- and legally and peacefully -- be rescinded
by law.

-- Roy L
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:21:09 -0500, Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org>
wrote:

Quote:
What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn?
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.

Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime".

Can anyone be surprised at such a ruling, given SCOTUS support for the
War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, etc., etc.?

-- Roy L
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p Reply with quote

On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:40:15 -0400, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

Quote:
I am saying
that ordinary, rank-and-file people cannot understand
the arguments for or against land rent capture.

That doesn't seem to stop them from voting on many other issues they
can't understand.

Quote:
You can't overthrow the existing legal system ( and we're talking about
nothing short of that ) without violence.

What geoist advocates overthrowing the legal system?

Quote:
Given that we no longer have anything like a common culture,
legality is all that's left.

Culture is getting more common every day, IMO...

-- Roy L
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