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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:45:30 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
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The Trucker wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:20:15 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
PeterBP wrote:
royls@telus.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:41:19 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com
wrote:
"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message ...
So what? If I buy a stolen car then it's OK because I paid money for it?
The new "owner" is simply the new thief.
If the previous owner paid for it, then it wasn't stolen.
Of course, that is just baldly false. It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen. A thief's sale of an asset does not allow
the next owner to create a valid title by selling it on again. Hello?
-- Roy L
Of course the last appropriator in the chain of exchanges can make the
exchange legitimately and in good faith, but that is beyond the point.
No, it's really not. The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocating
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this
country the people are supposed to be sovereign.
No, they are not. Not in the sense you mean it here. The people have
the franchise, but the law is the mechanism by which such decisions are
made. The people have an input into what makes law, but law that
violates existing case law will be filtered out.
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No. Laws are seldom repealed. They are overwritten and overridden. And
it happens because people demand it.
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If they decide to raise
land taxes to 75% of market value per annum then they will do it.
And it'd be fine with me. Just how realistic is that? Why, it's not
realistic at all.
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You may or may not be right in your guess. But the legality and lack of
violence is there to be had.
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It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is the
opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
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IN spite of all your screeching the fact remains. Righteousness and
legality ultimately reflect the sentiment of the vast universal majority.
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What universe do you live in?
The real one.
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Than you are wearing blinders.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend |
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Day Brown
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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Les Cargill wrote:
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It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is
the opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Really? What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn? |
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.
Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime". |
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Les Cargill
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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The Trucker wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:45:30 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:20:15 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
PeterBP wrote:
royls@telus.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:41:19 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com
wrote:
"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message ...
So what? If I buy a stolen car then it's OK because I paid money for it?
The new "owner" is simply the new thief.
If the previous owner paid for it, then it wasn't stolen.
Of course, that is just baldly false. It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen. A thief's sale of an asset does not allow
the next owner to create a valid title by selling it on again. Hello?
-- Roy L
Of course the last appropriator in the chain of exchanges can make the
exchange legitimately and in good faith, but that is beyond the point.
No, it's really not. The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocating
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this
country the people are supposed to be sovereign.
No, they are not. Not in the sense you mean it here. The people have
the franchise, but the law is the mechanism by which such decisions are
made. The people have an input into what makes law, but law that
violates existing case law will be filtered out.
No. Laws are seldom repealed. They are overwritten and overridden. And
it happens because people demand it.
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"People" can't even understand why they should do this, assuming
they should.
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If they decide to raise
land taxes to 75% of market value per annum then they will do it.
And it'd be fine with me. Just how realistic is that? Why, it's not
realistic at all.
You may or may not be right in your guess. But the legality and lack of
violence is there to be had.
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I appreciate your optimism. But no, I don't think anybody
can sell this to the general public.
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It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is the
opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
IN spite of all your screeching the fact remains. Righteousness and
legality ultimately reflect the sentiment of the vast universal majority.
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Than you are wearing blinders.
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PeterBP
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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The Trucker wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:45:30 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:20:15 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
PeterBP wrote:
royls@telus.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:41:19 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com
wrote:
"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message ...
So what? If I buy a stolen car then it's OK because I paid money for
it?
The new "owner" is simply the new thief.
If the previous owner paid for it, then it wasn't stolen.
Of course, that is just baldly false. It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen. A thief's sale of an asset does not allow
the next owner to create a valid title by selling it on again. Hello?
-- Roy L
Of course the last appropriator in the chain of exchanges can make the
exchange legitimately and in good faith, but that is beyond the point.
No, it's really not. The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocating
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this
country the people are supposed to be sovereign.
No, they are not. Not in the sense you mean it here. The people have
the franchise, but the law is the mechanism by which such decisions are
made. The people have an input into what makes law, but law that
violates existing case law will be filtered out.
No. Laws are seldom repealed. They are overwritten and overridden. And
it happens because people demand it.
"People" can't even understand why they should do this, assuming
they should.
|
Dear god, this is getting bad.
People do not demand new laws. Most of the time they just flock to the
ballot boxes because they have been persuaded that it is their "duty" to
do so. And when they do not, they sream in indignation at percieved
injustices and bads, while ignoring the real injustices and ridiculing
and denigrating those who point them out.
| Quote: |
If they decide to raise
land taxes to 75% of market value per annum then they will do it.
And it'd be fine with me. Just how realistic is that? Why, it's not
realistic at all.
You may or may not be right in your guess. But the legality and lack of
violence is there to be had.
I appreciate your optimism. But no, I don't think anybody
can sell this to the general public.
|
Lack of violence? Compared to what? Want to compare Harlem to some other
place in time?
Legality? Yes, according to dominant vulgar-elitist opinions of this
age. But usually "legality" is no more than popular mythos, again,
esposed by the vulgar elite.
| Quote: |
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is the
opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
IN spite of all your screeching the fact remains. Righteousness and
legality ultimately reflect the sentiment of the vast universal majority.
|
Even when this alleged righteousness end up breaking the back of said
majority? And what is the righteousness of the wishes and fads of the
majority means the slavery and opression of the minority?
Is this justice? Truth? Compassion? /Dignity/?
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What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Than you are wearing blinders.
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A profoundly ironic statement.
--
- Peter *** http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
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Les Cargill wrote:
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is
the opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Really? What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn?
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.
Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime".
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Government always, over time, tend toward the totalitarian.
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"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain |
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The Trucker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:16:45 +0200, PeterBP wrote:
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Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:45:30 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:20:15 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
PeterBP wrote:
royls@telus.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:41:19 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com
wrote:
"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message ...
So what? If I buy a stolen car then it's OK because I paid money for
it?
The new "owner" is simply the new thief.
If the previous owner paid for it, then it wasn't stolen.
Of course, that is just baldly false. It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen. A thief's sale of an asset does not allow
the next owner to create a valid title by selling it on again. Hello?
-- Roy L
Of course the last appropriator in the chain of exchanges can make the
exchange legitimately and in good faith, but that is beyond the point.
No, it's really not. The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocating
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this
country the people are supposed to be sovereign.
No, they are not. Not in the sense you mean it here. The people have
the franchise, but the law is the mechanism by which such decisions are
made. The people have an input into what makes law, but law that
violates existing case law will be filtered out.
No. Laws are seldom repealed. They are overwritten and overridden. And
it happens because people demand it.
"People" can't even understand why they should do this, assuming
they should.
Dear god, this is getting bad.
People do not demand new laws. Most of the time they just flock to the
ballot boxes because they have been persuaded that it is their "duty" to
do so. And when they do not, they sream in indignation at percieved
injustices and bads, while ignoring the real injustices and ridiculing
and denigrating those who point them out.
If they decide to raise
land taxes to 75% of market value per annum then they will do it.
And it'd be fine with me. Just how realistic is that? Why, it's not
realistic at all.
You may or may not be right in your guess. But the legality and lack of
violence is there to be had.
I appreciate your optimism. But no, I don't think anybody
can sell this to the general public.
Lack of violence? Compared to what? Want to compare Harlem to some other
place in time?
Legality? Yes, according to dominant vulgar-elitist opinions of this
age. But usually "legality" is no more than popular mythos, again,
esposed by the vulgar elite.
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is the
opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
IN spite of all your screeching the fact remains. Righteousness and
legality ultimately reflect the sentiment of the vast universal majority.
Even when this alleged righteousness end up breaking the back of said
majority?
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Then they get it fixed.
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And what is the righteousness of the wishes and fads of the
majority means the slavery and opression of the minority?
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Sooner or later the majority does away with the injustice. So long as the
information and education are there the injustices will be gone.
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Is this justice? Truth? Compassion? /Dignity/?
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Well.... Yes. It must be. Who, if not the majority, is to define these
things?
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What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Than you are wearing blinders.
A profoundly ironic statement.
-- |
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend |
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The Trucker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:16:45 +0200, PeterBP wrote:
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Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is
the opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Really? What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn?
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.
Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime".
Government always, over time, tend toward the totalitarian.
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And representative governments are designed to arrest those tenancies.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend |
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Les Cargill
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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PeterBP wrote:
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Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:45:30 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:20:15 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
PeterBP wrote:
royls@telus.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:41:19 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com
wrote:
"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message ...
So what? If I buy a stolen car then it's OK because I paid money for
it?
The new "owner" is simply the new thief.
If the previous owner paid for it, then it wasn't stolen.
Of course, that is just baldly false. It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen. A thief's sale of an asset does not allow
the next owner to create a valid title by selling it on again. Hello?
-- Roy L
Of course the last appropriator in the chain of exchanges can make the
exchange legitimately and in good faith, but that is beyond the point.
No, it's really not. The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocating
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this
country the people are supposed to be sovereign.
No, they are not. Not in the sense you mean it here. The people have
the franchise, but the law is the mechanism by which such decisions are
made. The people have an input into what makes law, but law that
violates existing case law will be filtered out.
No. Laws are seldom repealed. They are overwritten and overridden. And
it happens because people demand it.
"People" can't even understand why they should do this, assuming
they should.
Dear god, this is getting bad.
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I know. I'm fading on this group pretty quickly. I am saying
that ordinary, rank-and-file people cannot understand
the arguments for or against land rent capture.
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People do not demand new laws. Most of the time they just flock to the
ballot boxes because they have been persuaded that it is their "duty" to
do so. And when they do not, they sream in indignation at percieved
injustices and bads, while ignoring the real injustices and ridiculing
and denigrating those who point them out.
If they decide to raise
land taxes to 75% of market value per annum then they will do it.
And it'd be fine with me. Just how realistic is that? Why, it's not
realistic at all.
You may or may not be right in your guess. But the legality and lack of
violence is there to be had.
I appreciate your optimism. But no, I don't think anybody
can sell this to the general public.
Lack of violence? Compared to what? Want to compare Harlem to some other
place in time?
|
You can't overthrow the existing legal system ( and we're talking about
nothing short of that ) without violence.
| Quote: |
Legality? Yes, according to dominant vulgar-elitist opinions of this
age. But usually "legality" is no more than popular mythos, again,
esposed by the vulgar elite.
|
Given that we no longer have anything like a common culture,
legality is all that's left.
| Quote: |
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is the
opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
IN spite of all your screeching the fact remains. Righteousness and
legality ultimately reflect the sentiment of the vast universal majority.
Even when this alleged righteousness end up breaking the back of said
majority? And what is the righteousness of the wishes and fads of the
majority means the slavery and opression of the minority?
Is this justice? Truth? Compassion? /Dignity/?
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Than you are wearing blinders.
A profoundly ironic statement.
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Yup.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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The Trucker wrote:
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:16:45 +0200, PeterBP wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is
the opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Really? What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn?
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.
Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime".
Government always, over time, tend toward the totalitarian.
And representative governments are designed to arrest those tenancies.
Well yeah, but the media hype on porn has sheeple consent, in this case |
to the prosecution of thought crime.
The silence of Libertarians on this is deafening. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
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The Trucker wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:16:45 +0200, PeterBP wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is
the opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Really? What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn?
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.
Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime".
Government always, over time, tend toward the totalitarian.
And representative governments are designed to arrest those tenancies.
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If that is so, they are failing miserably.
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Well yeah, but the media hype on porn has sheeple consent, in this case
to the prosecution of thought crime.
The silence of Libertarians on this is deafening.
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What was this about again?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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PeterBP wrote:
Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:45:30 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:20:15 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:
PeterBP wrote:
royls@telus.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:41:19 GMT, "Dan in Philly" <djr8@aol.com
wrote:
"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message ...
So what? If I buy a stolen car then it's OK because I paid money f
or
it?
The new "owner" is simply the new thief.
If the previous owner paid for it, then it wasn't stolen.
Of course, that is just baldly false. It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen. A thief's sale of an asset does not allow
the next owner to create a valid title by selling it on again. Hello
?
-- Roy L
Of course the last appropriator in the chain of exchanges can make the
exchange legitimately and in good faith, but that is beyond the point.
No, it's really not. The present owner's claim is *purely legally
legitimate*, and anybody who says anything to the contrary is advocatin
g
an action which cannot be reached legally or peacefully.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this
country the people are supposed to be sovereign.
No, they are not. Not in the sense you mean it here. The people have
the franchise, but the law is the mechanism by which such decisions are
made. The people have an input into what makes law, but law that
violates existing case law will be filtered out.
No. Laws are seldom repealed. They are overwritten and overridden. And
it happens because people demand it.
"People" can't even understand why they should do this, assuming
they should.
Dear god, this is getting bad.
I know. I'm fading on this group pretty quickly. I am saying
that ordinary, rank-and-file people cannot understand
the arguments for or against land rent capture.
People do not demand new laws. Most of the time they just flock to the
ballot boxes because they have been persuaded that it is their "duty" to
do so. And when they do not, they sream in indignation at percieved
injustices and bads, while ignoring the real injustices and ridiculing
and denigrating those who point them out.
If they decide to raise
land taxes to 75% of market value per annum then they will do it.
And it'd be fine with me. Just how realistic is that? Why, it's not
realistic at all.
You may or may not be right in your guess. But the legality and lack of
violence is there to be had.
I appreciate your optimism. But no, I don't think anybody
can sell this to the general public.
Lack of violence? Compared to what? Want to compare Harlem to some other
place in time?
You can't overthrow the existing legal system ( and we're talking about
nothing short of that ) without violence.
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Don't be too sure. Retracting sanction from the system and seceding can
happen without violence, though I doubt it will. Those in power know far
too well who the losers of such a course of action in a widespread
manner will be.
The sheep must be kept in line.
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Legality? Yes, according to dominant vulgar-elitist opinions of this
age. But usually "legality" is no more than popular mythos, again,
esposed by the vulgar elite.
Given that we no longer have anything like a common culture,
legality is all that's left.
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Quite a hollow thing, then.
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It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is t
he
opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
IN spite of all your screeching the fact remains. Righteousness and
legality ultimately reflect the sentiment of the vast universal majority.
Even when this alleged righteousness end up breaking the back of said
majority? And what is the righteousness of the wishes and fads of the
majority means the slavery and opression of the minority?
Is this justice? Truth? Compassion? /Dignity/?
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Than you are wearing blinders.
A profoundly ironic statement.
Yup.
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Les Cargill
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It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen.
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But if the original producer (God in this case) leaves his product sitting
around unused, they you have the right to claim it.
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Dan in Philly <djr8@aol.com> wrote:
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royls@telus.net> wrote in message ...
It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen.
But if the original producer (God in this case) leaves his product sitting
around unused, they you have the right to claim it.
Dan in Philly
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I have a small problem in that regard: God never told me I had a right
to do that.
....is it because I am an atheist?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:44:31 +0200, PeterBP wrote:
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Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
The Trucker wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:16:45 +0200, PeterBP wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:
It will
be perfectly legal and it could be done quite peacefully. Legality is
the opinion of the vast universal majority.
Holy cow, not. Way not. Totally not. And here comes the guillotine....
What universe do you live in?
The real one.
Really? What do you think of the recent SCOTUS decision on Child porn?
Formerly, it was illegal because it always exploited a child. But now,
there is "child porn" which is ENTIRELY created by software. No child is
needed. But the court said that now it depends on what is going on in
the mind of the viewer.
Orwell, in his sci fi novel "1984" had a word for this:"Thought crime".
Government always, over time, tend toward the totalitarian.
And representative governments are designed to arrest those tenancies.
If that is so, they are failing miserably.
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And follow the link in my signature to see why.
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Well yeah, but the media hype on porn has sheeple consent, in this case
to the prosecution of thought crime.
The silence of Libertarians on this is deafening.
What was this about again?
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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: The great tax clawback scam - how government milks the p |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:14:41 +0000, Dan in Philly wrote:
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royls@telus.net> wrote in message ...
It is only legitimate ORIGINAL
ownership -- i.e., the producer's right to his product -- that can
make an asset not stolen.
But if the original producer (God in this case) leaves his product sitting
around unused, they you have the right to claim it.
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Yes. Everyone has an equal right to __**USE**__ it or even (in the case
of oil) consume it.
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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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