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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
The collapse of New York's World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most
well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the
buildings fell as they did.
At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition
which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training's official finding
that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the
impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.
The petition, demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation, states, in part:
"...the 9/11 investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that
may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC
Building 7."
This alarming statement is based on evidence from many sources, including observations of the
structural behaviour of the towers as they collapsed, the known characteristics of steel framed
buildings, eyewitness testimony of explosions, and research into the chemical composition of
dust recovered from the collapse zone.
Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been used to sever the
massive box columns of the towers, causing the buildings to plummet to the ground at close to
free-fall speed.
Chemical analysis has been conducted by a multi-disciplinary team led by
Professor Steven E. Jones and the results published in the Journal of 9/11 Studies.
The membership of Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth is worldwide, and qualified
Australians have made contributions. Dr. Frank Legge, a chemist, has co-authored a peer
reviewed paper, and Dr. David Leifer of the Faculty of Architecture at the University of Sydney
is a registered member of the group.
A major focus of research is the mysterious collapse of the
47 storey WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers) Building, which was not hit by any plane, yet suddenly
collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001.
Building 7 came down in six and a half seconds, generating a massive dust-cloud similar to the
one that had enveloped Manhattan when the Twin Towers collapsed earlier the same day.
Researchers contend that only explosives could have provided enough energy to cause the
pulverisation of thousands of tons of concrete into dust, and they highlight the symmetrical,
free-fall collapse of the building through the path of greatest resistance, indicating that the
supporting columns offered no resistance to the falling mass above.
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
This procedure is known as controlled demolition, and requires a precise placement of
explosives which are designed to cut through supports successively, usually from the bottom up,
pulling buildings down under their own weight.
The collapse of Building 7 is visually identical to a controlled demolition, as illustrated in
a side by side comparison on Youtube. Demolition expert Danny Jowenko has gone on record
confirming this observation.
"A team of experts did this", he said.
The essence of why we need a new investigation into the World Trade Center collapses is summed
up in a recent paper by Dr. Frank Legge:
"As no reports have come to light of any steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire, and as
all steel framed buildings which had collapsed had done so due to explosive demolition, the
logical way to have started the investigation of this surprising event would have been to
question whether explosives had been used. This apparently did not occur.
The organisations carrying out the investigations clearly selectively collected data and
contrived arguments to support the fire theory and ignored contradictory evidence. This is in
defiance of the scientific method and flouts the ethical standard of behaviour which the public
is entitled to receive from their paid servants."
The hypothesis of controlled demolition finds further support in many eyewitness accounts,
including live TV coverage, which described massive explosions in the lower levels of the World
Trade Center prior to the collapse.
William Rodriguez, an acknowledged hero of 9/11 who single-handedly rescued fifteen people from
the North Tower, described a massive explosion in the basement which occurred before the first
plane struck, pushing him upwards out of the seat of his chair.
The New York Fire Department's oral histories project contains 118 witness statements which are
strongly consistent with explosive demolition. Incredibly, none of this shocking testimony was
included or acknowledged in any official investigation, including the 9/11 Commission.
There is a groundswell of public pressure from family members of victims and ordinary people
the world over, to re-open the investigation of 9/11. As seen in the groundbreaking film 9/11:
Press For Truth, it was due to the pressure of a group of victim family members, known as the
Jersey Girls, that the 9/11 Commission was created, and yet that same commission failed to
answer the majority of questions raised by these courageous women.
Films such as Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries have been viewed by millions on the internet, and
opinion polls have consistently shown that a large proportion of the public does not accept the
official narrative of 9/11. Many believe there has been a major cover-up, while others believe
that September 11 was an "inside job".
As an Australian, I believe there is an urgent need for a new investigation for several reasons.
First, there is the war in Afghanistan, which has already claimed thousands of lives, and
appears to have no end in sight. If the 9/11 official narrative proves to be false, then the
attack on Afghanistan may be a war crime.
Second, there is the continued erosion of civil liberties in the form of anti-terror
legislation, and increases in police powers of surveillance and detention, which relies largely
on 9/11 as the primary justification.
Finally, there are core values of truth, decency and justice at stake, which I wish to uphold
and which I ask all Australians to join me in upholding as I say to our elected leaders, with
all due respect, we need a new investigation.
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Peter Webb Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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I didn't actually see any questions, just lots of statements.
Do you have any questions, or is the "subject" field wrong? |
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Government Shill #2 Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:53:56 +1000, "Peter Webb"
<webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
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I didn't actually see any questions, just lots of statements.
Do you have any questions, or is the "subject" field wrong?
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All of the statements are wrong, so why wouldn't the subject field be wrong too?
For example, one of the statements was that Silverstein had made "7 Billion"
dollars from insurance, when in fact he has to use the insurance money to
rebuild the towers and pay rent for the old towers whilst they are being
rebuilt. Not much of a way to make a huge profit.
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/wtc/archives/060522silverstein.asp
May 22, 2006
In a meeting held in Lower Manhattan last Thursday by New York State Assembly
Speaker Sheldon Silver, Larry Silverstein, who is developing several new
buildings at Ground Zero, said that construction on the projects could be
delayed because insurance companies could withhold payments.
Silverstein’s company, Silverstein Properties, is developing the 1,776-foot
Freedom Tower, but won’t own it upon completion. The firm is also developing
towers two three and four on the site. Silverstein said that several of the
more-than-twenty insurers of the Twin Towers had recently “suggested to our
attorneys that they might try and use the agreement between us and the Port
Authority as a new excuse to avoid paying out claims.”
This agreement, reached in principle last month, allowed the Port Authority of
New York and New Jersey to control two towers at Ground Zero, and much of the
insurance proceeds related to building them. The Port Authority owns the land on
the World Trade Center site.
Silverstein obtained the lease to the Twin towers just months before the
September 11 terrorist attacks. He has begun receiving $4.6 billion in insurance
proceeds, although insurance companies are still fighting this in court.
Silverstein has been using the insurance to pay rent on the site and to build
the Freedom Tower, which began construction in late April.
“We cannot let the insurance companies derail the deal that has been agreed to
between us and the many different branches of government involved in the
rebuilding,” said Silverstein. He added that without the insurers’ funds, "the
World Trade Center cannot be rebuilt."
Silverstein has the support of the Port Authority regarding the insurance
claims. In a joint letter sent May 15 to several of the insurance companies,
Silverstein and Port Authority Executive Director Kenneth Ringler, said, “we do
not believe that the implementation of the conceptual framework on this basis
will have any impact on the insurance recovery.” The Port Authority claims it
was a “co-insured party” at the Trade Center.
Jacques E. Dubois, chairman of Swiss Re, the largest insurer at ground zero,
told the New York Times that the insurance agreement had not changed, but that
his company needed to analyze the new agreement between Silverstein and the Port
Authority before determining if the deal would affect insurance payouts.
Sam Lubell
Shill #2
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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In article <ccb8d$485a7893$28281@news.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
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Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
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5 hours of fire will accomplish the same thing.
Nobody heard and man-made explosives. There are no silent explosives.
WTC7 was on fire for hours and the video and the statements of 100+
eyewitness firemen show.
1. Statement of FDNY Chief Hayden
2. Statement of FDNY Chief Scheuerman
3. High School Physics for fall time of WTC7 with video of WTC7 to establish time.
4. Four Demolition experts say WTC collapse was caused by fire
5. Frame of WTC7 was unlike any other building & probably contributed to collapse
6. Evidence of no man-made demolition,
7. TV News showing WTC7 on fire and close to collapse on the afternoon of 9/11
7.1 Video of WTC7 on fire
8. Transcripts of all firemen and others. 100+ firemen say WTC7 collapse was caused by fire.
9. FDNY Chief Nigro explains the collapse of WTC7
10. Richard Gage and Prof. Jones have no relevant expertise for what tehy say about WTC.
11. No all-steel building was ever doused with gas, set on fire and allowed to burn.
12. Why some buildings near WTC collapsed and some didn't
13. Preventing Injuries and Deaths of Fire Fighters Due to Truss System Failures
14. BUILDING FIRE AND STRUCTURAL FAILURE (Steel buildings DO collapse because of fire)
15. WTC7 Interim report & other links
16. Fireproofing on WTC7 was sub-standard
17. FDNY Training - Including building collapse.
18. Participation of members of Structural Engineers Assoc of NY from early on 9/11.
19. Fire Dept training for Explosions in a steel bulding fire (Not WTC)
20. Video: BBC Early Report on WTC7 Collapse Explained (3 minutes)
[1] ----------------------------
FDNY Chief Haydem explains how they knew that WTC7 was beginning to
collapse as early ast 2:00PM.
FDNY Chief Hayden sighting it with a surveyor's transit: .. we
were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early
on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and
13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she
was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible
bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock
in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we
realized this thing was going to collapse.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
[2] --------------------------------------------------
The Collapse of Building 7 by Arthur Scheuerman December 8, .06
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf
(good diagrams and pictures. )
Arthur Scheuerman, Battalion Chief FDNY (Retired), Former Deputy
Chief Instructor Nassau County Fire Training Academy and high-rise
Fire Safety Director
[3] ----------------------------
The WTC7 "fast as free-fall" crap is wrong by huge amounts. Free fall
for WTC7 (610 ft.) would be 6.17 seconds. WTC7 could be 2,000 ft high
for 11 seconds to be "free fall".
WTC7 was 610 ft tall.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
The final collapse of WTC7 was about 15 seconds by this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6GMddY-lQ
Equations: http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/gravity_equations_falling.htm
[4]----------------------------
We have FOUR demolition experts that are on record saying that WTC was
not a man-made demoliiton job and will explain why they think that:
Ron Craig, Jowenko, and Loizeaux, and Blanchard.
There are no demolition experts that say that WTC was man-made
demolition.
In this video, demolition expert Jowenko explains why WTC 1, 2 and 7
were NOT demolition jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QajDxF9uEf4&mode=related&search=
http://jowenko.nl/
[5] ----------------------------
Nobody that is familiar with the structural frame of WTC7 thinks there
is anything about the collapse that requires man-made explosives,
Diagram http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/
Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png/180px-Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2aftg3
[6]--------------------------
There is a massive amount of evidence that there was no man-made
demolition at WTC. WTC 1 and 2 were videotaped from all angles from
the moment of the first impact to the point of collapse. No video
shows any man-made demolition.
This video is all about man-made demolition. All sources and
documentation for the video is in the second link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2873871255585611926
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/someonlinepapersandvideosbyme
No video exists that shows what every known man-made demolition shows.
[7] -----------------------------------
NBC TV news report showing WTC7 on fire and at risk of collapse.
This was broadcast at 4:48PM.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3859529288033431294
[7.1]
9/11/01 LIVE! News/Amateur Video World Trade Center Part 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DpAHh-yT25Q&feature=related
WTC7 on fire at 0:44
1:10
[7.2] More WTC7 fire vidoes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&feature=related
[7.3] Even more WTC7 fire vidoes.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/WTC7_Fire_Videos
[8]----------------------------
About 100 firemen state clearly that WTC7 was damages by on fire and
about to collapse beginning at about 2PM. Their names and full text
transcripts are online via the following links.
41 firemen mention severity of fire in WTC7
29 firemen mention damage to WTC7
104 firemen mention pullback from WTC7
36 firemen mention "Pull" to mean withdraw from the building
Summary spreadsheet names & statements: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/WTC7_Eyewitnesses.xls
Full text transcripts for those names: http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rak3
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/
nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
Lookup for a few non-fireman transcripts:
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=016182179862191393560%3Ahx2yxincxdu
[9] ----------------------------
FDNY Chief Nigro was in command at WTC on the afternoon of 9/11.
This is a message Chief Nigro addresses the conspiracy theories
surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Source:
http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro
Chief of Department FDNY (ret.) Daniel Nigro Addresses Conspiracy Theories
Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National
Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of
WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it
has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the
conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the
cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the
afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1
& 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).
The reasons are as follows:
1. Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never
collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain
high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and
from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns
providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without
sufficient water supply to attack them.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the
owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that
decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone
surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that
zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7
collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
[10] ----------------------------
NOBODY with relevant structural engineering or demolition expertise
thinks that there is anything strange about how WTC7 collapsed. None
of the people in AE911 that speak about WTC7 have this expertise.
That includes Jones and Gage.
Gage's Resume: http://members.shaw.ca/loudstudios/GageCV.pdf
Jones' resume http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/atomic/physics1/atomic/jones_cv.htm
Professor Jones nas vener released teh full lab results for his
claims.
[11] ----------------------------
No all-steel building in history was ever doused with thousands of
fuel, set afire and allowed to burn without any firefighting. WTC1,
2, and 7 were unique in that each was hit by tons of something, had
structural damage and had minimal fire-proofing, and had no
firefighting.
[12] -----------------------------------------------------------
Wounded Buildings Offer Survival Lessons (Dec 4, 2001)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E4DF1F3DF937A35751C1A9679C8B63&scp=1&sq=&st=nyt
Illustration from article. http://tinyurl.com/ynjre3
Also: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=108006
When the south tower collapsed, said Mr. Trelstad, the engineer,
some of its huge columns fell and ripped out many of the steel
spandrels, or cross beams between windows, on the north facade of
90 West Street. One series of spandrels, from the 11th down to the
3rd floors on the east part of the facade, was destroyed as if a
giant claw had run down the front of the building.
...
He was first struck by the scale of the devastation and the
eeriness of the setting. Fires set by the south tower's debris had
gutted the 2nd, 3rd, 10th and 23rd floors, and much of the northern
portions of the 4th, 5th, 8th and 21st floors. At least two people
are believed to have died in the building, trapped in an elevator.
[13] ---------------------------------------------------
NIOSH Publication No. 2005-132:
Preventing Injuries and Deaths of Fire Fighters Due to Truss System Failures
All-steel trusses present their own hazards when exposed to fire. The
mass and surface area of steel truss components are factors that
determine time to failure. A heavy, thick section of steel has greater
resistance to fire than a lightweight section of the same length
because of the increased mass. A large, solid steel truss can absorb
heat and take longer to reach its failure temperature, whereas a
lightweight steel truss such as an open-web bar joist will be heated
to its failure temperature much faster. ...
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2005-132/
(see table D-1 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2005-132/#ad )
[14] ------------
Title: A BUILDING FIRE AND STRUCTURAL FAILURE (Steel buildings DO collapse because of fire)
URL Source: http://www.mutualbox.com/a_building_fire_and_structural_f.htm
Published: Jul 6, 2006
When you enter a lightweight steel bar joist building on fire and you
hear popping, cracking, creaking and metal to metal rubbing together,
get out, the trusses are failing. It is not safe to enter for any
reason. At 205 West Jefferson Street Captain Patterson, Engine 108,
the first engine on the scene reported hearing popping sounds,
cracking sounds and things that just did not sound right. After moving
in about twenty feet attacking the fire, he wisely evacuated the
building. The roof collapsed shortly after they evacuated. All of
these sounds were steel I beams and trusses failing. At a recent
warehouse fire in Prince George.s County MD companies were operating
on the interior of the lightweight steel bar joist building. When
Volunteer Chief 33, Ricky Riley, arrived on the scene and radioed his
engine crew, he asked them, "what do you hear, do you hear anything",
the response from the company officer was "yes, there are popping
sounds" He ordered all interior companies to evacuate the
building. The roof collapsed approximetley ten minutes after
evacuation. Again, the sounds were the roof trusses failing.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=148816
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[15] --------------------------------------------------
Interim Report on WTC 7
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf
Links to other WTC7 reports
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
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[16] -----------------------------------------
Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed A Fire Chief's Assessment
http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html
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[17] ----------------------------------
John Jay College teaches about stuture fires for NY firemen.
http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~firesci/fire_science_faculty.htm
Glenn Corbett, professor of fire science at John Jay College of
Criminal Justice says the CD people are k00ks and explains why in this
20 minute interview.
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2007/09/14
FDNY Training - Including building collapse.
http://www.fdtraining.com/NewCourses.html
[18] --------------------------------
Many members of Structural Engineers Assoc of NY
reported to WTC early on 9/11 to supertvice investigation.
http://www.seaony.org/
Source: Book: _Nine Months at Ground Zero_ By Stout, Vitchers, & Gray
[19] -----------------------------
Explosions in a steel bulding fire (Not WTC)
"As Engine 15 turned up Liberty street Captain John Kahl could see
light smoke from the top floor of the Hurst Building. Captain Kahl
did not think he had much of a fire so he went to check the
automatic alarm box. The box indicated that there was fire in the
basement, so Captain Kahl had his crew force entry threw a glass
door on the German street side and entered the building with a 3/4
inch chemical line and 2 1/2 hand line. As the crew was standing
on the stairs to the basement they could see the fire rolling
across the ceiling towards the elevator shaft. It was not long
after Captain Kahl entered the building when a smoke explosion
occurred in the elevator shaft. The explosion was powerful enough
to blow off the roof , break several windows and also throw large
embers across the street into the broken windows of several
buildings. All the firefighters escaped with out injury"
What you have just read describeds what firemen call a smoke
explosion at a fire in Boston. This phenomenon occurs when a fire
creates a pocket of hot explosive gas in an enclosed area. The gas
comes from material in the area of the fire that is heated to the
point of giving off gas, but the area is not hot enough for
spontaneous combustion to occure. All it takes is a spark or the
inrush of oxygen rich air to make the gas ignite. Its similar to a
backdraft but in a backdraft the gas has space to expand and burn,
in a smoke explosion the enclosed space make the effect more
explosive in nature.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2819408&postcount=477
[20] ----
BBC Early Report on WTC7 Collapse Explained
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zZrlNw-31R8
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Don't respond with "people heard...." or "experts say.." unless you
have the names of those people. Lets see what they heard or saw.
Don't respond with a video of eyewitness claims. I want names and text
transcripts. That's what I give you and am prepared to give you more
of. There is video on Twoofer sites that has had explosion sounds
added to it.
Don't respond by changing the topic or making a counterclaim.
You can prove me wrong by posting a name with credentials and a
statement.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
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Semper Libčr® . Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <ccb8d$485a7893$28281@news.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to
collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped
cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
5 hours of fire will accomplish the same thing.
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No... It won't... The fire would have to be raging (over 2000F) just to
barely cause slow sagging of the heated steel elements....steel acts like a
heat sink, and loses its strength slowly when heated - and you'll still have
the other parts (floors not involved) of the structure that offer full
resistance to collapse, so you couldn't possibly get a sudden symmetrical
free fall collapse, even IF you had the entire building consumed by raging
fire - which is wasn't, by a long shot. In fact there have been buildings
that have endured raging (I'm talking flames hundreds of feet high) fires
that burned for over 24 hours, and remained standing.... One resent example
happened in Madrid, Spain.
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Nobody heard and man-made explosives. There are no silent explosives.
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That's not true either.... You obviously have never looked into this
seriously.
Have a look at this clip.... Listen to the number of witnesses who heard
"explosives".... then offer us your theory as to what caused what we see
beginning at approx 2:15 into this video.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsdglv3dS8 |
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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In article <qdG6k.222$yg7.99@edtnps82>,
Semper Libčr® . <•nopolicestates????!?~Hj77@freedom4all.org> wrote:
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g3e0q7$nrm$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <ccb8d$485a7893$28281@news.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to
collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped
cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
5 hours of fire will accomplish the same thing.
No... It won't... The fire would have to be raging (over 2000F) just to
barely cause slow sagging of the heated steel elements....steel acts like a
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Wrong. Steel loses half it's strength at 800F.
In this video of a fire department experimental burn in a building,
temps of 1700F are measured.
FDNY fire tests gov island,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8682781475859149895&hl=en
Nobody saw or heard man-made demolition at WTC.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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Semper Libčr® . <.nopolicestates????!?~Hj77@freedom4all.org> wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <ccb8d$485a7893$28281@news.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made
to
collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of
shaped
cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
5 hours of fire will accomplish the same thing.
No... It won't... The fire would have to be raging (over 2000F) just to
barely cause slow sagging of the heated steel elements....steel acts like
a
Wrong. Steel loses half it's strength at 800F.
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LOL! You think engineers don't know how steel reacts in a fire? Steel framed
buildings don't collapse from fire... end of story.... and certainly not
symmetrically.... and certainly not at the same rate as an object passing
through a vacuum. These are facts i'm tied of having to go over every time
one of you government conspiracy kooks picks up some bogus magazine filled
with nonsense.
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In this video of a fire department experimental burn in a building,
temps of 1700F are measured.
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Yeah, but kerosene (such as aviation grade fuel) won't produce those
temperatures... and you need to get hotter than that to cause a complete
failure.... and the failure will only occur on the structure that is made to
fail.... failure in one part of a structure does not cause the rest of the
structure to lose integrity or resistance to collapse... So what that means
is you have a structure that sags or falls over... not one that falls down
into its own footprint, and passing through the path of greatest resistance
(the non heated structure). Physics doesn't work like that.... never has...
never will. The highest recorded temp was 1300.... and that only lasted for
a brief moment at the beginning of the fire... and the temps went down after
that as the fuel was consumed. The fire was almost out even by the time the
fire fighters arrived..... Have a listen to the first man on the scene..
Video including tape of fire fighter.... "just two lines to knock it down"
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/Video/Banned%20Firefighter%20tape.WMV
Fire Department Tape Reveals No Awareness of Imminent Doom
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EEDE1531F93AA35752C1A9649C8B63
I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about what we see in this
video.... Start it at 2:15 if you don't want to hear all of the eyewitness
testimony about bombs going off all over the place - including a group of
fire fighters describing "demolition charges" they heard before the
collapse..
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made
to collapse vertically in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is
through the use of shaped cutter charges detonated in a timed sequence.
The collapse of New York's World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is
arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less
well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did.
At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals
have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute
of Standards & Training's official finding that the destruction of these
massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact
of jet airliners and the resulting fires.
The petition, demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation,
states, in part:
"...the 9/11 investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible
use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the
destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7."
This alarming statement is based on evidence from many sources,
including observations of the structural behaviour of the towers as they
collapsed, the known characteristics of steel framed buildings,
eyewitness testimony of explosions, and research into the chemical
composition of dust recovered from the collapse zone.
Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been
used to sever the massive box columns of the towers, causing the
buildings to plummet to the ground at close to free-fall speed.
Chemical analysis has been conducted by a multi-disciplinary team led by
Professor Steven E. Jones and the results published in the Journal of
9/11 Studies.
The membership of Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth is worldwide,
and qualified Australians have made contributions. Dr. Frank Legge, a
chemist, has co-authored a peer reviewed paper, and Dr. David Leifer of
the Faculty of Architecture at the University of Sydney is a registered
member of the group.
A major focus of research is the mysterious collapse of the
47 storey WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers) Building, which was not hit by any
plane, yet suddenly collapsed into its own footprint late in the
afternoon of September 11, 2001.
Building 7 came down in six and a half seconds, generating a massive
dust-cloud similar to the one that had enveloped Manhattan when the Twin
Towers collapsed earlier the same day.
Researchers contend that only explosives could have provided enough
energy to cause the pulverisation of thousands of tons of concrete into
dust, and they highlight the symmetrical, free-fall collapse of the
building through the path of greatest resistance, indicating that the
supporting columns offered no resistance to the falling mass above.
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made
to collapse vertically in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is
through the use of shaped cutter charges detonated in a timed sequence.
This procedure is known as controlled demolition, and requires a precise
placement of explosives which are designed to cut through supports
successively, usually from the bottom up, pulling buildings down under
their own weight.
The collapse of Building 7 is visually identical to a controlled
demolition, as illustrated in a side by side comparison on Youtube.
Demolition expert Danny Jowenko has gone on record confirming this
observation.
"A team of experts did this", he said.
The essence of why we need a new investigation into the World Trade
Center collapses is summed up in a recent paper by Dr. Frank Legge:
"As no reports have come to light of any steel framed buildings
collapsing due to fire, and as all steel framed buildings which had
collapsed had done so due to explosive demolition, the logical way to
have started the investigation of this surprising event would have been
to question whether explosives had been used. This apparently did not
occur.
The organisations carrying out the investigations clearly selectively
collected data and contrived arguments to support the fire theory and
ignored contradictory evidence. This is in defiance of the scientific
method and flouts the ethical standard of behaviour which the public is
entitled to receive from their paid servants."
The hypothesis of controlled demolition finds further support in many
eyewitness accounts, including live TV coverage, which described massive
explosions in the lower levels of the World Trade Center prior to the
collapse.
William Rodriguez, an acknowledged hero of 9/11 who single-handedly
rescued fifteen people from the North Tower, described a massive
explosion in the basement which occurred before the first plane struck,
pushing him upwards out of the seat of his chair.
The New York Fire Department's oral histories project contains 118
witness statements which are strongly consistent with explosive
demolition. Incredibly, none of this shocking testimony was included or
acknowledged in any official investigation, including the 9/11 Commission.
There is a groundswell of public pressure from family members of victims
and ordinary people the world over, to re-open the investigation of
9/11. As seen in the groundbreaking film 9/11: Press For Truth, it was
due to the pressure of a group of victim family members, known as the
Jersey Girls, that the 9/11 Commission was created, and yet that same
commission failed to answer the majority of questions raised by these
courageous women.
Films such as Loose Change and 9/11 Mysteries have been viewed by
millions on the internet, and opinion polls have consistently shown that
a large proportion of the public does not accept the official narrative
of 9/11. Many believe there has been a major cover-up, while others
believe that September 11 was an "inside job".
As an Australian, I believe there is an urgent need for a new
investigation for several reasons.
First, there is the war in Afghanistan, which has already claimed
thousands of lives, and appears to have no end in sight. If the 9/11
official narrative proves to be false, then the attack on Afghanistan
may be a war crime.
Second, there is the continued erosion of civil liberties in the form of
anti-terror legislation, and increases in police powers of surveillance
and detention, which relies largely on 9/11 as the primary justification.
Finally, there are core values of truth, decency and justice at stake,
which I wish to uphold and which I ask all Australians to join me in
upholding as I say to our elected leaders, with all due respect, we need
a new investigation.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
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I have noticed a shift in conspiracy theories.
Probably due to constantly being debunked on the Tower theories
have now turned their conspiracies onto Building 7 instead.
I've seen smaller buildings burn for a few hours, insides totally
gutted. Floors collapse, Walls Collapse all your left with is
the brick work on the outside.
Maybe they did use explosives, but if parts of it was burning
for 5-6 hours I certainly would not want to go work in there.
The cost of repairing it would be more than rebuilding it.
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In article <ccb8d$485a7893$28281@news.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made to collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of shaped cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
5 hours of fire will accomplish the same thing.
Nobody heard and man-made explosives. There are no silent explosives.
WTC7 was on fire for hours and the video and the statements of 100+
eyewitness firemen show.
1. Statement of FDNY Chief Hayden
2. Statement of FDNY Chief Scheuerman
3. High School Physics for fall time of WTC7 with video of WTC7 to establish time.
4. Four Demolition experts say WTC collapse was caused by fire
5. Frame of WTC7 was unlike any other building & probably contributed to collapse
6. Evidence of no man-made demolition,
7. TV News showing WTC7 on fire and close to collapse on the afternoon of 9/11
7.1 Video of WTC7 on fire
8. Transcripts of all firemen and others. 100+ firemen say WTC7 collapse was caused by fire.
9. FDNY Chief Nigro explains the collapse of WTC7
10. Richard Gage and Prof. Jones have no relevant expertise for what tehy say about WTC.
11. No all-steel building was ever doused with gas, set on fire and allowed to burn.
12. Why some buildings near WTC collapsed and some didn't
13. Preventing Injuries and Deaths of Fire Fighters Due to Truss System Failures
14. BUILDING FIRE AND STRUCTURAL FAILURE (Steel buildings DO collapse because of fire)
15. WTC7 Interim report & other links
16. Fireproofing on WTC7 was sub-standard
17. FDNY Training - Including building collapse.
18. Participation of members of Structural Engineers Assoc of NY from early on 9/11.
19. Fire Dept training for Explosions in a steel bulding fire (Not WTC)
20. Video: BBC Early Report on WTC7 Collapse Explained (3 minutes)
[1] ----------------------------
FDNY Chief Haydem explains how they knew that WTC7 was beginning to
collapse as early ast 2:00PM.
FDNY Chief Hayden sighting it with a surveyor's transit: .. we
were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early
on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and
13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she
was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible
bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock
in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we
realized this thing was going to collapse.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
[2] --------------------------------------------------
The Collapse of Building 7 by Arthur Scheuerman December 8, .06
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf
(good diagrams and pictures. )
Arthur Scheuerman, Battalion Chief FDNY (Retired), Former Deputy
Chief Instructor Nassau County Fire Training Academy and high-rise
Fire Safety Director
[3] ----------------------------
The WTC7 "fast as free-fall" crap is wrong by huge amounts. Free fall
for WTC7 (610 ft.) would be 6.17 seconds. WTC7 could be 2,000 ft high
for 11 seconds to be "free fall".
WTC7 was 610 ft tall.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
The final collapse of WTC7 was about 15 seconds by this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6GMddY-lQ
Equations: http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/gravity_equations_falling.htm
[4]----------------------------
We have FOUR demolition experts that are on record saying that WTC was
not a man-made demoliiton job and will explain why they think that:
Ron Craig, Jowenko, and Loizeaux, and Blanchard.
There are no demolition experts that say that WTC was man-made
demolition.
In this video, demolition expert Jowenko explains why WTC 1, 2 and 7
were NOT demolition jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QajDxF9uEf4&mode=related&search=
http://jowenko.nl/
[5] ----------------------------
Nobody that is familiar with the structural frame of WTC7 thinks there
is anything about the collapse that requires man-made explosives,
Diagram http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/
Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png/180px-Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2aftg3
[6]--------------------------
There is a massive amount of evidence that there was no man-made
demolition at WTC. WTC 1 and 2 were videotaped from all angles from
the moment of the first impact to the point of collapse. No video
shows any man-made demolition.
This video is all about man-made demolition. All sources and
documentation for the video is in the second link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2873871255585611926
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/someonlinepapersandvideosbyme
No video exists that shows what every known man-made demolition shows.
[7] -----------------------------------
NBC TV news report showing WTC7 on fire and at risk of collapse.
This was broadcast at 4:48PM.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3859529288033431294
[7.1]
9/11/01 LIVE! News/Amateur Video World Trade Center Part 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DpAHh-yT25Q&feature=related
WTC7 on fire at 0:44
1:10
[7.2] More WTC7 fire vidoes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&feature=related
[7.3] Even more WTC7 fire vidoes.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/WTC7_Fire_Videos
[8]----------------------------
About 100 firemen state clearly that WTC7 was damages by on fire and
about to collapse beginning at about 2PM. Their names and full text
transcripts are online via the following links.
41 firemen mention severity of fire in WTC7
29 firemen mention damage to WTC7
104 firemen mention pullback from WTC7
36 firemen mention "Pull" to mean withdraw from the building
Summary spreadsheet names & statements: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/WTC7_Eyewitnesses.xls
Full text transcripts for those names: http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rak3
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/
nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
Lookup for a few non-fireman transcripts:
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=016182179862191393560%3Ahx2yxincxdu
[9] ----------------------------
FDNY Chief Nigro was in command at WTC on the afternoon of 9/11.
This is a message Chief Nigro addresses the conspiracy theories
surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Source:
http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro
Chief of Department FDNY (ret.) Daniel Nigro Addresses Conspiracy Theories
Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National
Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of
WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it
has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the
conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the
cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the
afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1
& 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).
The reasons are as follows:
1. Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never
collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain
high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and
from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns
providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without
sufficient water supply to attack them.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the
owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that
decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone
surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that
zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7
collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
[10] ----------------------------
NOBODY with relevant structural engineering or demolition expertise
thinks that there is anything strange about how WTC7 collapsed. None
of the people in AE911 that speak about WTC7 have this expertise.
That includes Jones and Gage.
Gage's Resume: http://members.shaw.ca/loudstudios/GageCV.pdf
Jones' resume http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/atomic/physics1/atomic/jones_cv.htm
Professor Jones nas vener released teh full lab results for his
claims.
[11] ----------------------------
No all-steel building in history was ever doused with thousands of
fuel, set afire and allowed to burn without any firefighting. WTC1,
2, and 7 were unique in that each was hit by tons of something, had
structural damage and had minimal fire-proofing, and had no
firefighting.
[12] -----------------------------------------------------------
Wounded Buildings Offer Survival Lessons (Dec 4, 2001)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E4DF1F3DF937A35751C1A9679C8B63&scp=1&sq=&st=nyt
Illustration from article. http://tinyurl.com/ynjre3
Also: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=108006
When the south tower collapsed, said Mr. Trelstad, the engineer,
some of its huge columns fell and ripped out many of the steel
spandrels, or cross beams between windows, on the north facade of
90 West Street. One series of spandrels, from the 11th down to the
3rd floors on the east part of the facade, was destroyed as if a
giant claw had run down the front of the building.
...
He was first struck by the scale of the devastation and the
eeriness of the setting. Fires set by the south tower's debris had
gutted the 2nd, 3rd, 10th and 23rd floors, and much of the northern
portions of the 4th, 5th, 8th and 21st floors. At least two people
are believed to have died in the building, trapped in an elevator.
[13] ---------------------------------------------------
NIOSH Publication No. 2005-132:
Preventing Injuries and Deaths of Fire Fighters Due to Truss System Failures
All-steel trusses present their own hazards when exposed to fire. The
mass and surface area of steel truss components are factors that
determine time to failure. A heavy, thick section of steel has greater
resistance to fire than a lightweight section of the same length
because of the increased mass. A large, solid steel truss can absorb
heat and take longer to reach its failure temperature, whereas a
lightweight steel truss such as an open-web bar joist will be heated
to its failure temperature much faster. ...
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2005-132/
(see table D-1 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2005-132/#ad )
[14] ------------
Title: A BUILDING FIRE AND STRUCTURAL FAILURE (Steel buildings DO collapse because of fire)
URL Source: http://www.mutualbox.com/a_building_fire_and_structural_f.htm
Published: Jul 6, 2006
When you enter a lightweight steel bar joist building on fire and you
hear popping, cracking, creaking and metal to metal rubbing together,
get out, the trusses are failing. It is not safe to enter for any
reason. At 205 West Jefferson Street Captain Patterson, Engine 108,
the first engine on the scene reported hearing popping sounds,
cracking sounds and things that just did not sound right. After moving
in about twenty feet attacking the fire, he wisely evacuated the
building. The roof collapsed shortly after they evacuated. All of
these sounds were steel I beams and trusses failing. At a recent
warehouse fire in Prince George.s County MD companies were operating
on the interior of the lightweight steel bar joist building. When
Volunteer Chief 33, Ricky Riley, arrived on the scene and radioed his
engine crew, he asked them, "what do you hear, do you hear anything",
the response from the company officer was "yes, there are popping
sounds" He ordered all interior companies to evacuate the
building. The roof collapsed approximetley ten minutes after
evacuation. Again, the sounds were the roof trusses failing.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=148816
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[15] --------------------------------------------------
Interim Report on WTC 7
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf
Links to other WTC7 reports
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
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[16] -----------------------------------------
Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed A Fire Chief's Assessment
http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html
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[17] ----------------------------------
John Jay College teaches about stuture fires for NY firemen.
http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~firesci/fire_science_faculty.htm
Glenn Corbett, professor of fire science at John Jay College of
Criminal Justice says the CD people are k00ks and explains why in this
20 minute interview.
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2007/09/14
FDNY Training - Including building collapse.
http://www.fdtraining.com/NewCourses.html
[18] --------------------------------
Many members of Structural Engineers Assoc of NY
reported to WTC early on 9/11 to supertvice investigation.
http://www.seaony.org/
Source: Book: _Nine Months at Ground Zero_ By Stout, Vitchers, & Gray
[19] -----------------------------
Explosions in a steel bulding fire (Not WTC)
"As Engine 15 turned up Liberty street Captain John Kahl could see
light smoke from the top floor of the Hurst Building. Captain Kahl
did not think he had much of a fire so he went to check the
automatic alarm box. The box indicated that there was fire in the
basement, so Captain Kahl had his crew force entry threw a glass
door on the German street side and entered the building with a 3/4
inch chemical line and 2 1/2 hand line. As the crew was standing
on the stairs to the basement they could see the fire rolling
across the ceiling towards the elevator shaft. It was not long
after Captain Kahl entered the building when a smoke explosion
occurred in the elevator shaft. The explosion was powerful enough
to blow off the roof , break several windows and also throw large
embers across the street into the broken windows of several
buildings. All the firefighters escaped with out injury"
What you have just read describeds what firemen call a smoke
explosion at a fire in Boston. This phenomenon occurs when a fire
creates a pocket of hot explosive gas in an enclosed area. The gas
comes from material in the area of the fire that is heated to the
point of giving off gas, but the area is not hot enough for
spontaneous combustion to occure. All it takes is a spark or the
inrush of oxygen rich air to make the gas ignite. Its similar to a
backdraft but in a backdraft the gas has space to expand and burn,
in a smoke explosion the enclosed space make the effect more
explosive in nature.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2819408&postcount=477
[20] ----
BBC Early Report on WTC7 Collapse Explained
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zZrlNw-31R8
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Don't respond with "people heard...." or "experts say.." unless you
have the names of those people. Lets see what they heard or saw.
Don't respond with a video of eyewitness claims. I want names and text
transcripts. That's what I give you and am prepared to give you more
of. There is video on Twoofer sites that has had explosion sounds
added to it.
Don't respond by changing the topic or making a counterclaim.
You can prove me wrong by posting a name with credentials and a
statement.
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Silent Explosives...
Their was this episode of Get Smart....
And Kaos going around town blowing up all the statues with
HushaBoom a new Kaos inverted explosive.
The statue blows up and nobody heard it, amazing. |
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Silent Explosives...
Their was this episode of Get Smart....
And Kaos going around town blowing up all the statues with
HushaBoom a new Kaos inverted explosive.
The statue blows up and nobody heard it, amazing.
I'm thinking of shoe based Isralie telephones and a cone of silence, just |
like Max and Agent 99. |
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Questions which are Unanswered on 911 |
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Warren Smith <warrensmith@gmail.com> wrote:
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son of a bitch <bitch@gripes.com.au.org.ml.gov> wrote:
Silent Explosives...
Their was this episode of Get Smart....
And Kaos going around town blowing up all the statues with
HushaBoom a new Kaos inverted explosive.
The statue blows up and nobody heard it, amazing.
I'm thinking of shoe based Isralie telephones and a cone of silence, just
like Max and Agent 99.
I think that everyone should know about Don Adams, the comedian who played |
Maxwell Smart.
He was a marine who fought in the battle of Guadalcanal in WW2, while the
amazing John Wayne never fought a real battle in his life, yet was
represented in movies as a hero.
Who would have thunk it? Don Adams! |
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Semper Libčr® . <•nopolicestates????!?~Hj77@freedom4all.org> wrote:
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Semper Libčr® . <.nopolicestates????!?~Hj77@freedom4all.org> wrote:
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In article <ccb8d$485a7893$28281@news.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
Questions which are Unanswered on 911
Sunday, 25 May 2008 15:11 www.daily.pk
Historically, the only way a modern office building has ever been made
to
collapse vertically
in free-fall, as observed in WTC Building 7, is through the use of
shaped
cutter charges
detonated in a timed sequence.
5 hours of fire will accomplish the same thing.
No... It won't... The fire would have to be raging (over 2000F) just to
barely cause slow sagging of the heated steel elements....steel acts like
a
Wrong. Steel loses half it's strength at 800F.
LOL! You think engineers don't know how steel reacts in a fire?
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Of course I do and that's why steel is sprayed with fireproofing.
Fireproofing is only good for a limited period of time and assumes
that sprinklers work and that the structure isn't damaged and that
firemen with water will show up quickly and fight the fire. None of
was the case on 9/11.
The fireproofing at WTC was known to be sub-standard at WTC and there
is a case to be made that the impact of the planes destoryed it on
those floors.
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