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Budikka666
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 Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Gabriel Admits he Completely Clueless |
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On Jun 26, 9:38 pm, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:50:18 -0700, "Mike Painter"
mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
: Gabriel wrote:
: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:17:54 -0700, "Mike Painter": > <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
: >: >> Gabriel wrote:
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: >>> Well the beliefs of evolutionism are not even scientific: they're
: >>> not observable, testable or verifiable.
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: >> All of science says it is science.
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: > All of them? No, now you're telling a lie. 
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: Name a science that says evolution is false.
Other sciences don't say anything about molecules to man
evolutionism (for or against).
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That's because there's no such thing as "evolutionism".
They do, however, have a lot of things to say about evolution.
Medicine uses it, paleontology uses it, genetics uses it, microbiology
uses it, cosmology supports the time-frame required for it, radiology
supports the measurement of the time, etc., etc..
Your profound ignorance of science doesn't change that. It never
will.
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I.e., they don't "all say it's
science", as you claimed.
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Yes they do, Moron.
They don't all say "molecules to man
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evolutionism is science",
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The Theory of Evolution uses ***EXACTLY*** the same scientific method
as all other sciences. Your stupidity cannot change reality no matter
how desperately you wish it.
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They only bring their own observations to the table related to
their specific field. (For example, this is how old we believe
this layer of stone is
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How old we observe, test and verify a stratum is - the stratum which
contains one of the very many transitional fossil between one earlier
"type" and another later "type", all of which have been observed,
tested, and verified.
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or this is what we believe happens in the
genome, and so on).
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Nope. What we have **observed**, **tested**, and verified** in the
genome.
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Now, if you're going to talk about actual scientists
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Why don't you talk *to* actual scientists and get a much-needed
education?
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Gabriel 's Lie #14 |
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On Jun 26, 9:49 pm, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:13:17 +1000, Masked Avenger
cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Gabriel wrote:
: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:17:54 -0700, "Mike Painter": > <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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: > : Gabriel wrote:
: > : <snip
: > : > Well the beliefs of evolutionism are not even scientific: they're
: > : > not observable, testable or verifiable.
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: > : All of science says it is science.
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: > All of them? No, now you're telling a lie.
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: BULLSHIT ! ......
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: Please go to this site ( although I know you won't because you are
: afraid of it )
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: http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/
This is not "all sciences claiming molecules to man is science".
It's an organization with men and women elected, no doubt who are
screened to make sure they believe in molecules to man
evolutionism.
Meanwhile the number of scientists continue to grow who do not
believe in molecules to man evolutionism at all.
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If you can support that claim, it won't be LIE #14, will it?
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Yawn: Yet Another Non-Existent Transitional Fossil Found |
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On Jun 27, 1:45 am, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Jun 26, 6:38 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Whilst Gabriel continues to RUN from all questions and challenges,
indeed, from all attempts to engage him in a rationale, intelligent,
supported discussion on any evolution topic, real scientists, many of
whom share Gabriel's faith, continue to provide so-called "missing"
links and key fossils demonstrating, without any reasonable doubt,
that organisms of one "type" can and do indeed change over time into
organisms of a different "type":http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/06/25/fishfossil.ap/index.html
Budikka
Why do you think that Gabriel can be rationale, intelligent?
He has none of those.
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*No one* thinks Gabriel is any of the above. However, there are
people who read these exchanges who are smart enough to learn.
Chicken Gabriel isn't one of them, but we need to make sure his lies
aren't unopposed.
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Mike Painter
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Gabriel Admits he Completely Clueless |
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Budikka666 wrote:
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The Theory of Evolution uses ***EXACTLY*** the same scientific method
as all other sciences. Your stupidity cannot change reality no matter
how desperately you wish it.
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He reminds me of the Star trek episode where Spock says "I love you, but I
hate you." to the twin robots.
When the robots point out they are exactly the same, he says "Yes, that is
why I love you, but I hate you."
The difference of course is that Spock knew that what he said was crazy
enough to disable the robots. |
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johac
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Yawn: Yet Another Non-Existent Transitional Fossil Found |
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In article <6cjqraF3fukgtU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-7C32B7.22352426062008@news.giganews.com...
Idiot! You're so ignorant that you don't even know what a fossil is.
Issa watch!
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Yeah. I wonder if Paley's watch was a Fossil? Maybe the ignoramus can
tell us.
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James Beck
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: Re: Gabriel 's Lie #14 |
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In article <ec87f09b-de93-415b-94c3-aa67c2aa21e4@
8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, budikka1@netscape.net says...
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On Jun 26, 9:49 pm, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:13:17 +1000, Masked Avenger
cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Gabriel wrote:
: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:17:54 -0700, "Mike Painter": > <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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: > : Gabriel wrote:
: > : <snip
: > : > Well the beliefs of evolutionism are not even scientific: they're
: > : > not observable, testable or verifiable.
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: > : All of science says it is science.
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: > All of them? No, now you're telling a lie.
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: BULLSHIT ! ......
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: Please go to this site ( although I know you won't because you are
: afraid of it )
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: http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/
This is not "all sciences claiming molecules to man is science".
It's an organization with men and women elected, no doubt who are
screened to make sure they believe in molecules to man
evolutionism.
Meanwhile the number of scientists continue to grow who do not
believe in molecules to man evolutionism at all.
If you can support that claim, it won't be LIE #14, will it?
Budikka
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We KNOW it is a lie.
The number of scientists working on the answer may be growing, but any
scientist working in the field would solidly reject the <poof><magic
smoke> version Gabby is pushing. |
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Masked Avenger
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Yawn: Yet Another Non-Existent Transitional Fossil Found |
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adman wrote:
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1486CB.22420425062008@news.giganews.com...
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| <2fbba5e2-20a3-498e-bc99-dbcfa2f6d98d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
| Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
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| > Whilst Gabriel continues to RUN from all questions and challenges,
| > indeed, from all attempts to engage him in a rationale, intelligent,
| > supported discussion on any evolution topic, real scientists, many of
| > whom share Gabriel's faith, continue to provide so-called "missing"
| > links and key fossils demonstrating, without any reasonable doubt,
| > that organisms of one "type" can and do indeed change over time into
| > organisms of a different "type":
| > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/06/25/fishfossil.ap/index.html
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| This was another great find. Those gaps keep getting filled. Another
| nail in the coffin of creationism.
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| I was going to post this myself but you beat me again. :-)
What a load of horseCrap.
Will you believe anything you read as long as it suits your
evolution-based-lies?And while we are on the subject of believing crap...do
you actually think those bones survived 365 MILLION years?
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moron ........ go and look up fossil in a dictionary and then come back
and apologise for your trolling ........
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MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
.............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
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Dubh Ghall
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Yawn: Yet Another Non-Existent Transitional Fossil Found |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:19:44 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
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adman wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1486CB.22420425062008@news.giganews.com...
| In article
| <2fbba5e2-20a3-498e-bc99-dbcfa2f6d98d@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
| Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
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| > Whilst Gabriel continues to RUN from all questions and challenges,
| > indeed, from all attempts to engage him in a rationale, intelligent,
| > supported discussion on any evolution topic, real scientists, many of
| > whom share Gabriel's faith, continue to provide so-called "missing"
| > links and key fossils demonstrating, without any reasonable doubt,
| > that organisms of one "type" can and do indeed change over time into
| > organisms of a different "type":
| > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/06/25/fishfossil.ap/index.html
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| This was another great find. Those gaps keep getting filled. Another
| nail in the coffin of creationism.
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| I was going to post this myself but you beat me again. :-)
What a load of horseCrap.
Will you believe anything you read as long as it suits your
evolution-based-lies?And while we are on the subject of believing crap...do
you actually think those bones survived 365 MILLION years?
moron ........ go and look up fossil in a dictionary and then come back
and apologise for your trolling ........
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He should be so honest. |
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Gabriel's Claims Categorically Falsified |
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On Jul 1, 9:30 am, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Budikka666
budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
: Whilst Gabriel continues to RUN from all questions and challenges,
: indeed, from all attempts to engage him in a rationale, intelligent,
: supported discussion on any evolution topic, real scientists, many of
: whom share Gabriel's faith, continue to provide so-called "missing"
: links and key fossils demonstrating, without any reasonable doubt,
: that organisms of one "type" can and do indeed change over time into
: organisms of a different "type":
:http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/06/25/fishfossil.ap/index.html
More exaggerations, assumptions and dishonest claims exposed by
those willing to question what molecules to man evolutionists
claim.
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Well there's another LIE! What's that, Gabbers, #16?
Once again let me hit you squarely over your dumb head with the FACT
that there is ~150 years of solid science behind the Theory of
Evolution.
What's behind your blind belief system Gabbers? The cube root of
squat, that's what.
Do you see now why the Theory of Evolution is what's held to be a
scientific truth and your beliefs are nothing but religious
mythology? When we were not there to see what happened, we are forced
to go by what the evidence most clearly demonstrates. What the
evidence most clearly demonstrates is what the Theory of Evolution
explains.
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According to a much-ballyhooed report in Nature, scientists have
found another fish-to-tetrapod “missing link.” Just don’t read
the fine print.
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There are no "missing links", dimwit. I'd put this proposition to
you, but you'll just run from it, and/or make all kinds of excuses,
and/or, outright deny it without offering a shred of support for your
juvenile ignorant claims.
No, let me do it anyway so everyone can see you RUN AWAY from it, and
then they'll understand that it's the evolutionists who have the
evidence and people of your ilk who are LIARS and COWARDS.
Here it is:
If the Theory of Evolution is true, then what should we expect to find
in the fossil record? Should we expect to find **everything** - all
organisms ancient and modern suddenly miraculously appearing all at
once, just 6,000 years ago, or should we expect to find, as more and
more fossils are unearthed, *exactly* what we do find - a variety of
organisms, most of which definitely quite evidently change over time,
and many of which leave a series of transitional froms, exactly like
we find in this series: Tiktaalik, Ventastega, Acanthostega and
Ichthyostega?
Answer the question as put, coward
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What the scientists in this study did not do, was examine
alternative ideas about what Ventastega represents. For example,
if we start from the Bible—that God created the earth and all
animal kinds in six days about 6,000 years ago,
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We immediately find that falsified because the Earth is some 4.6
billion years old. End of story.
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then we would
likely conclude that Ventastega, like Tiktaalik, represents both
the amazing creativity and economy that God has used in the
multitude of diverse designs He made.
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And we immediately realize that if everything that is fossilized were
alive at one time, it would be standing room only since quite
literally every square inch of the planet would be fully occupied to
overcrowding by just the organisms represented in the fossil record.
The Earth cannot possibly be just 6,000 years old because there would
literally be no room for everything that lived.
Again your asinine claim is immediately falsified. That's why the
Theory of Evolution rules and your claims are patent bullshit.
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Mike Painter
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Gabriel 's Lie #14 |
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Gabriel wrote:
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This list shows how desperate and how stupid Gabriel and teh people who show
this list are. They seem to think that "doctor" makes somebody a scientist.
Physchologists and engineers are not scientists.
Medical doctors are not scientists.
Dentists and vets are not scientists.
Computer scientists are for the most part not scientists
Mathamatician are not scientists.
Cops, cartoonists, and photographers are not scientists.
If there was any evidence that Gabby understood science or what a theory is,
the rest of the list would probably vanish also.
"*As far as we know, the scientists of the past listed here
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believed in a literal Genesis unless otherwise stated. The ones
who did not are nevertheless included in the list below because
of their general belief in the creator God of the Bible and
opposition to evolution. But because the idea that the earth is
'millions of years' old has been disastrous in the long run, no
present day 'long-agers' are included intentionally, because we
submit that they should know better.
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EVEN if they know the dead person did believe in evolution they are listed
becasue they opposed evolution.
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
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Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of
creation
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. James Allan, Geneticist
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist,
Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview)
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics &
Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance
imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
Dr. Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr. Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval
Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal
Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology,
Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918-2006), founder of the Institute for
Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915-1995) Three science doctorates; a
creation science pioneer
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892-1979) Surgeon
Dr. Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr. Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr. Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace &
Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology
Is there evidence of discrimination against creation scientists?
Contemporary suppression of the theistic worldview
Do creation scientists publish in secular journals?
Do creationists publish in notable refereed journals?
Bias in higher education
Peer pressure and truth
Revolutionary Atmospheric Invention by Victim of Anti-creationist
Discrimination
Science magazine refuses to hire creationist
The not-so-Nobel decision
The tyranny of 'tolerance'
View scientists of the past who believed in a Creator
Which scientists of the past believed in a Creator?
Note: These scientists are sorted by birth year.
Early
Francis Bacon (1561-1626) Scientific method. However, see also
Culture Wars:
Part 1: Bacon vs Ham
Part 2: Ham vs Bacon
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) (WOH) Physics, Astronomy (see also
The Galileo 'twist' and The Galileo affair: history or heroic
hagiography?
Johann Kepler (1571-1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy
Athanasius Kircher (1601-1680) Inventor
John Wilkins (1614-1672)
Walter Charleton (1619-1707) President of the Royal College of
Physicians
Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine
(1623-1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer
Sir William Petty (1623 -1687) Statistics; Scientific economics
Robert Boyle (1627-1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics
John Ray (1627-1705) Natural history
Isaac Barrow (1630-1677) Professor of Mathematics
Nicolas Steno (1631-1686) Stratigraphy
Thomas Burnet (1635-1715) Geology
Increase Mather (1639-1723) Astronomy
Nehemiah Grew (1641-1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
The Age of Newton
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation
law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about
the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator. Some
have accused him of Arianism, but it's likely he held to a
heterodox form of the Trinity-See Pfizenmaier, T.C., Was Isaac
Newton an Arian? Journal of the History of Ideas 68(1):57-80,
1997)
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646-1716) Mathematician
John Flamsteed (1646-1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder;
Astronomy
William Derham (1657-1735) Ecology
Cotton Mather (1662-1727) Physician
John Harris (1666-1719) Mathematician
John Woodward (1665-1728) Paleontology
William Whiston (1667-1752) Physics, Geology
John Hutchinson (1674-1737) Paleontology
Johathan Edwards (1703-1758) Physics, Meteorology
Carolus Linneaus (1707-1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification
system
Jean Deluc (1727-1817) Geology
Richard Kirwan (1733-1812) Mineralogy
William Herschel (1738-1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus (probably
believed in an old-earth)
James Parkinson (1755-1824) Physician (old-earth compromiser*)
John Dalton (1766-1844) Atomic theory; Gas law
John Kidd, M.D. (1775-1851) Chemical synthetics (old-earth
compromiser*)
Just Before Darwin
The 19th Century Scriptural Geologists, by Dr. Terry Mortenson
Timothy Dwight (1752-1817) Educator
William Kirby (1759-1850) Entomologist
Jedidiah Morse (1761-1826) Geographer
Benjamin Barton (1766-1815) Botanist; Zoologist
John Dalton (1766-1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory;
Chemistry
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology
(old-earth compromiser*)
Samuel Miller (1770-1840) Clergy
Charles Bell (1774-1842) Anatomist
John Kidd (1775-1851) Chemistry
Humphrey Davy (1778-1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp
Benjamin Silliman (1779-1864) Mineralogist (old-earth
compromiser*)
Peter Mark Roget (1779-1869) Physician; Physiologist
Thomas Chalmers (1780-1847) Professor (old-earth compromiser*)
David Brewster (1781-1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope
(probably believed in an old-earth)
William Buckland (1784-1856) Geologist (old-earth compromiser*)
William Prout (1785-1850) Food chemistry (probably believed in an
old-earth)
Adam Sedgwick (1785-1873) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Michael Faraday (1791-1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field
theory, Generator
Samuel F.B. Morse (1791-1872) Telegraph
John Herschel (1792-1871) Astronomy (old-earth compromiser*)
Edward Hitchcock (1793-1864) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
William Whewell (1794-1866) Anemometer (old-earth compromiser*)
Joseph Henry (1797-1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
Just After Darwin
Richard Owen (1804-1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth
compromiser*)
Matthew Maury (1806-1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably
believed in an old-earth*)
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth
compromiser, polygenist*)
Henry Rogers (1808-1866) Geology
James Glaisher (1809-1903) Meteorology
Philip H. Gosse (1810-1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) Archeologist
James Simpson (1811-1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
James Dana (1813-1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817-1901) Agricultural Chemist
James Joule (1818-1889) Thermodynamics
Thomas Anderson (1819-1874) Chemist
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819-1900) Astronomy
George Stokes (1819-1903) Fluid Mechanics
John William Dawson (1820-1899) Geology (probably believed in an
old-earth*)
Rudolph Virchow (1821-1902) Pathology
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) (WOH) Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry;
Sterilization; Immunization
Henri Fabre (1823-1915) Entomology of living insects
William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) Energetics; Absolute
temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the
Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
William Huggins (1824-1910) Astral spectrometry
Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
Joseph Lister (1827-1912) Antiseptic surgery
Balfour Stewart (1828-1887) Ionospheric electricity
James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics;
Statistical thermodynamics
P.G. Tait (1831-1901) Vector analysis
John Bell Pettigrew (1834-1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842-1919) Similitude; Model
Analysis; Inert Gases
Sir William Abney (1843-1920) Astronomy
Alexander MacAlister (1844-1919) Anatomy
A.H. Sayce (1845-1933) Archeologist
John Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945) Electronics; Electron tube;
Thermionic valve
Early Modern Period
Dr. Clifford Burdick, Geologist
George Washington Carver (1864-1943) Inventor
L. Merson Davies (1890-1960) Geology; Paleontology
Douglas Dewar (1875-1957) Ornithologist
Howard A. Kelly (1858-1943) Gynecology
Paul Lemoine (1878-1940) Geology
Dr. Frank Marsh, Biology
Dr. John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
Edward H. Maunder (1851-1928) Astronomy
William Mitchell Ramsay (1851-1939) Archeologist
William Ramsay (1852-1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element
transmutation
Charles Stine (1882-1954) Organic Chemist
Dr. Arthur Rendle-Short (1885-1955) Surgeon
Dr. Larry Butler, Biochemist
Is there a list of those who are against the biblical view of
creation?
A Who's Who of Evolutionists
Q&A: Countering the Critics
Other biographies and interviews of interest
David Aikman, journalist
Basil of Caesarea
Gary and Meri Bell, underwater photographers
Hillmon Buckingham, Salvation Army Commissioner
Calvin says: Genesis means what it says
Steve Cardno, Creation Magazine art director
Betty Cuthbert, Olympic champion
Thyrza Davey, illustrator and author
Buddy Davis, sculptor, singer
Ralph DiCosimo, police officer
Pete Dobré, creationist photographer
Carol Drew, Creation photographer
Ken Duncan, photographer
Chang-Sha Fang, plant scientist
Jim Farquhar, geologist
Sergei Golovin, geophysicist
Russell Grigg, chemist
David and Doreen Hart
Johnny Hart, cartoonist
Paul James-Griffiths, missionary to the New Age Movement
Robert Jensen, photographer
Dr. Douglas Kelly, academic theologian
Dan Lietha, cartoonist
Dr. George Lindsey, associate professor of science education
Martin Lloyd-Jones, evangelist
Prof. Marvin Lubenow, anthropology
Luther on Evolution, and What was Martin Luther's stand on
Creation/Evolution? (Christian Answers Network)
Lou Moss, photographer
William J. Murray, son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair
Michael Oard, atmospheric scientist
Jules H Poirier, design engineer
Gary Raymond, law enforcement
Peter and Cathy Sparrow, Creation Bus
Joe Taylor, paleontologist
Dr. Ting Wang, lecturer in biblical Hebrew
Prof. Hannington Enoch, zoologist, 'The man who got me hunting
down evolution!' by David C.C. Watson, author of Myths and
Miracles
Dr. John Whitcomb, theologian (interview)
John Woodmorappe, geologist
Disclaimer
*As far as we know, the scientists of the past listed here
believed in a literal Genesis unless otherwise stated. The ones
who did not are nevertheless included in the list below because
of their general belief in the creator God of the Bible and
opposition to evolution. But because the idea that the earth is
'millions of years' old has been disastrous in the long run, no
present day 'long-agers' are included intentionally, because we
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Mike Painter wrote:
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Gabriel wrote:
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This list shows how desperate and how stupid Gabriel and teh people who show
this list are. They seem to think that "doctor" makes somebody a scientist.
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Like "Dr." Ken Hovind?? You gotta wonder how many people on that
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Still Waiting on Gabriel Honestly Addressing Lie #1 |
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On Jun 8, 8:13 pm, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:22:03 -0700 (PDT), Budikka666
budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
: Here's the single paragraph which evolves into twelve lies!
Now that you've struggled to make up 12 different lies, just so
that you could claim there was 12 of them, I'll respond to them,
again, to show quite clearly you are unfortunately the one making
dishonest statements, both about me and about your religion of
evolutionism.
I do this not because I expect you to stop being dishonest and
stop with your acidic hatred and insults, but so others can see
how easy it is to refute these dishonest statements - so that
others can see how you can only bring lies to the debate because
you know evolutionism is completely exposed for the religious
beliefs they are, beliefs that are unobservable, untestable, and
unverifiable.
:
: "Please show where it's ever been observed that populations of [rat]s
: have produced, over generations (supposedly via mutations and
: accumulation of small changes) animals that are clearly no longer
: [rat]s. (And you can replace [rat] with any animal you wish)."
:
: That has to be something of a record, even for a creationist. These
: lies follow Gabriel around everywhere he goes, like twelve disciples.
: But Gabriel implicitly insists that he's God, so that's really quite
: hunky-dory.
:
: Gabriel is too much of a Gallus domesticus to even face up to his
: lies, so I decided to post them individually, to force him into
: addressing them.
:
: We're looking for several things here.
:
: The first is an apology for lying. I guarantee you we won't get it.
: Gabriel isn't into apologies. He won't even apologize to the
: thousands of fellow Christians he religiously insults on a daily
: basis. More on this anon.
:
: Gabriel won't go the extra mile. He won't give you his coat. He
: actually isn't a Christian. But then neither was god, and since
: Gabriel is God, that's just ducky, isn't it?
:
: The second is that Gabriel will at least face his lies, something he
: has fled from doing every time they've been brought to his attention.
: I doubt we'll see this either, since in order to face them, he'd have
: to remove the plank from his own eye, which he is convinced isn't
: there, because he can't see it. He can't see it, of course, because
: there's a massive plank in his eye.
:
: The third is that Gabriel will overcome his chronic cowardice and
: actually address his lies. Even then he won't refute them unless you
: consider, as does Gabriel, that chanting "No it isn't!" endlessly,
: mindlessly, robotically, is a refutation.
:
: But in Gabriel's favor, he's no different in any of the above than any
: other creationist.
:
: Lie #1
: 1. "Please show where it's ever been observed"
: Here in the very first clause is where Gabriel sets himself up as the
: arbiter of what's evolution and what isn't!
A misleading statement. They've already defined what it is. I
only ask that they show what *they've* defined has ever been
observed.
They claim every single life form came from a common ancestor. Is
this right or wrong? If that's wrong, by all means please, in
your own words, offer details on exactly how it's wrong and offer
details on exactly how to correct it. And then start correcting
such a "lie" from all over the Internet. For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28biology%29#Common_descent
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This was what you posted on June 8th. It was your first response to
this particular lie and it took you the bigger part of a week to come
up with it. It's been almost a month since you posted this.
Why did you post the description of "common descent" instead of the
definition of evolution from wikipedia?
That's why you're dishonest to the core - and you're evidently either
too stupid or too arrogant to even see it.
You never looked up evolution. Look at your URL above. It doesn't
point to evolution. It points to common descent. You're giving a
"definition" of common descent and dishonestly pretending it's *the*
definition of evolution.
Here's what wikipedia says about evolution:
"In biology, evolution is the process of change in the inherited
traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next."
It's the very first sentence you read if you type evolution in the
search engine and click "Go". How hard is that, Gabriel?
All you could do is come up with a description of what evolution
does. You never did support *your* "definition" of evolution - which
is not that living organisms have a common ancestor, but that
evolution has to be directly observed by a human being otherwise it
never happened.
That's your lie. I'm sorry you are too fundamentally stupid or
dishonest (which is it?) to admit to it.
I'm also sorry that when you're challenged on your dishonesty, you
either run away or change the subject. That's why you're
fundamentally dishonest to the core.
Now how about answering some questions? Or are you going to keep
running away and lying that you've dealt with your Christian
responsibility: "thou shalt not bear false witness"?
What's it going to be, Gabriel? Truth or more of your dishonest
avoidance tactics?
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Still Waiting on Gabriel Honestly Addressing Lie #1 |
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On Jul 5, 10:20 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
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On Jun 8, 8:13 pm, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:22:03 -0700 (PDT), Budikka666
budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
: Here's the single paragraph which evolves into twelve lies!
Now that you've struggled to make up 12 different lies, just so
that you could claim there was 12 of them, I'll respond to them,
again, to show quite clearly you are unfortunately the one making
dishonest statements, both about me and about your religion of
evolutionism.
I do this not because I expect you to stop being dishonest and
stop with your acidic hatred and insults, but so others can see
how easy it is to refute these dishonest statements - so that
others can see how you can only bring lies to the debate because
you know evolutionism is completely exposed for the religious
beliefs they are, beliefs that are unobservable, untestable, and
unverifiable.
:
: "Please show where it's ever been observed that populations of [rat]s
: have produced, over generations (supposedly via mutations and
: accumulation of small changes) animals that are clearly no longer
: [rat]s. (And you can replace [rat] with any animal you wish)."
:
: That has to be something of a record, even for a creationist. These
: lies follow Gabriel around everywhere he goes, like twelve disciples.
: But Gabriel implicitly insists that he's God, so that's really quite
: hunky-dory.
:
: Gabriel is too much of a Gallus domesticus to even face up to his
: lies, so I decided to post them individually, to force him into
: addressing them.
:
: We're looking for several things here.
:
: The first is an apology for lying. I guarantee you we won't get it.
: Gabriel isn't into apologies. He won't even apologize to the
: thousands of fellow Christians he religiously insults on a daily
: basis. More on this anon.
:
: Gabriel won't go the extra mile. He won't give you his coat. He
: actually isn't a Christian. But then neither was god, and since
: Gabriel is God, that's just ducky, isn't it?
:
: The second is that Gabriel will at least face his lies, something he
: has fled from doing every time they've been brought to his attention.
: I doubt we'll see this either, since in order to face them, he'd have
: to remove the plank from his own eye, which he is convinced isn't
: there, because he can't see it. He can't see it, of course, because
: there's a massive plank in his eye.
:
: The third is that Gabriel will overcome his chronic cowardice and
: actually address his lies. Even then he won't refute them unless you
: consider, as does Gabriel, that chanting "No it isn't!" endlessly,
: mindlessly, robotically, is a refutation.
:
: But in Gabriel's favor, he's no different in any of the above than any
: other creationist.
:
: Lie #1
: 1. "Please show where it's ever been observed"
: Here in the very first clause is where Gabriel sets himself up as the
: arbiter of what's evolution and what isn't!
A misleading statement. They've already defined what it is. I
only ask that they show what *they've* defined has ever been
observed.
They claim every single life form came from a common ancestor. Is
this right or wrong? If that's wrong, by all means please, in
your own words, offer details on exactly how it's wrong and offer
details on exactly how to correct it. And then start correcting
such a "lie" from all over the Internet. For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28biology%29#Common_descent
This was what you posted on June 8th. It was your first response to
this particular lie and it took you the bigger part of a week to come
up with it. It's been almost a month since you posted this.
Why did you post the description of "common descent" instead of the
definition of evolution from wikipedia?
That's why you're dishonest to the core - and you're evidently either
too stupid or too arrogant to even see it.
You never looked up evolution. Look at your URL above. It doesn't
point to evolution. It points to common descent. You're giving a
"definition" of common descent and dishonestly pretending it's *the*
definition of evolution.
Here's what wikipedia says about evolution:
"In biology, evolution is the process of change in the inherited
traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next."
It's the very first sentence you read if you type evolution in the
search engine and click "Go". How hard is that, Gabriel?
All you could do is come up with a description of what evolution
does. You never did support *your* "definition" of evolution - which
is not that living organisms have a common ancestor, but that
evolution has to be directly observed by a human being otherwise it
never happened.
That's your lie. I'm sorry you are too fundamentally stupid or
dishonest (which is it?) to admit to it.
I'm also sorry that when you're challenged on your dishonesty, you
either run away or change the subject. That's why you're
fundamentally dishonest to the core.
Now how about answering some questions? Or are you going to keep
running away and lying that you've dealt with your Christian
responsibility: "thou shalt not bear false witness"?
What's it going to be, Gabriel? Truth or more of your dishonest
avoidance tactics?
Budikka
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Gabriel - if you want an honest, intelligent, scientific definition of
evolution (as opposed to your bullshit LIES), then you need to read
something by someone who knows what he's talking about - someone like
Larry Moran:
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/01/what-is-evolution.html
In fact, Professor Moran, who plies his trade in the Department of
Biochemistry at the University of Toronto goes one better, and quotes
Douglas J. Futuyma from his 1998 text book, Evolutionary Biology 3rd
ed., Sinauer Associates Inc. Sunderland MA p.4:
"Biological (or organic) evolution is change in the properties of
populations of organisms or groups of such populations, over the
course of generations. The development, or ontogeny, of an individual
organism is not considered evolution: individual organisms do not
evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary
are those that are ‘heritable' via the genetic material from one
generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or
substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the
proportions of different forms of a gene within a population, such as
the alleles that determine the different human blood types, to the
alterations that led from the earliest organisms to dinosaurs, bees,
snapdragons, and humans.
Got it now?
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