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 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" |
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It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.
The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"
In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the northern
horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and 3
wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordinates.
Its like
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
"First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
and
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg
booth without koordinate markings
It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifiers
are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
from orbit:
http://www.scireview.de/mars/
In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.
MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despite
this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
published:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg
The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camera
acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
(click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
"North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"
Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast
The Spike is not in other published images:
not in large panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg
not in normal panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg
not in final large fish-eye panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10734.jpg
not in partial fish-eye panorama
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10721.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
not in partial panorama
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"
Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" |
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Seems odd that you're not getting any expertise from these all-knowing
wizards, of telling us exactly what that spike item is. It seems
large enough to be detected from orbit.
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
SEN...@argo.rhein-neckar.de wrote:
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It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.
The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"
In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the northern
horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and 3
wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordinates.
Its like
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
"First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
and
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg
booth without koordinate markings
It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifiers
are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
from orbit:
http://www.scireview.de/mars/
In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.
MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despite
this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
published:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg
The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camera
acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
(click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
"North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"
Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast
The Spike is not in other published images:
not in large panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg
not in normal panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg
not in final large fish-eye panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10734.jpg
not in partial fish-eye panorama
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10721.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
not in partial panorama
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"
Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Seems odd that you're not getting any expertise from these all-knowing
wizards, of telling us exactly what that spike item is. It seems
large enough to be detected from orbit.
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A missing piece of image data is hard to see from orbit I would think~
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" |
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On Jun 4, 12:27 pm, SEN...@argo.rhein-neckar.de wrote:
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It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.
The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"
In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the northern
horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and 3
wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordinates.
Its likehttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
"First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
andhttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg
booth without koordinate markings
It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifiers
are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
from orbit:
http://www.scireview.de/mars/
In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.
MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despite
this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
published:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg
The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camera
acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
(click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
"North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"
Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast
The Spike is not in other published images:
not in large panorama:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg
not in normal panorama:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg
not in final large fish-eye panorama:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10734.jpg
not in partial fish-eye panoramahttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10721.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
not in partial panoramahttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"
Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.
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Since no one's responded, I might as well. Assuming that you're
serious, look VERY closely at the edge of the picture both directly
above and below the 'spike'. The 'spike' appears right where two
seperate images are joined therefore is most likely to be a
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Re: The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" |
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"cfleon@hotmail.com" wrote:
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Since no one's responded, I might as well. Assuming that you're
serious, look VERY closely at the edge of the picture both directly
above and below the 'spike'. The 'spike' appears right where two
seperate images are joined therefore is most likely to be a
photographical artifact.
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As far as I can ascertain, there are only two separate images in this
composite, and the join between them is clearly visible.
But you will also notice that the individual images are not rectangular;
they have been warped, presumably to fit the underlying rectangular
azimuth-elevation grid.
This warping produces digital artifacts along the edges of the
individual images, making it appear that many more images were used in
the creation of the composite. It is a coincidence that the "spike"
should appear to lie exactly on one of these fictitious joins. There is
in fact no mis-registration along this, or any other fictitious join,
which might otherwise suggest separate images.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" |
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This warping produces digital artifacts along the edges of the
individual images, making it appear that many more images were used in
the creation of the composite. It is a coincidence that the "spike"
should appear to lie exactly on one of these fictitious joins. There is
in fact no mis-registration along this, or any other fictitious join,
which might otherwise suggest separate images.
John.
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The spike is well away from any such "join". NASA (JPL, ASU, MSSS,...)
never used a software that produced such crude artefacts of any Mars image.
And I realy saw a LOT of such images. I have some expirence in remote sensing
image aquisition and processing. I assure you that this spike is no glitch of
the camera, transmission or any processing. You would realy need a paint
program to get anything like that.
I`m now waiting for the color image. Here the spike may not be white but
with some red, green or blue distortion. That would be no glitch but an
effect of a moveing or shape changing object imaged three times - by the
3 color filters.
"The Stereo Surface Imager has by now completed about 55 percent of its
three-color, 360-degree panorama of the Phoenix landing site, Tamppari
said." (University of Arizona, Press Release, June 26, 2008)
Has someone already found the color spike there?
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