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Cory Albrecht
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Paul Ransom Erickson wrote:
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:02:14 GMT, Christ's Love
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Always remember: Christ loves you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
You know, it's a little ironic for someone who decides to identify as
"Christ's Love" to use such a childish response.
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You do realize that you are responding to posts over a month old?
Christ's Love as mysteriously disappeared and has not posted in here in
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT, Christ's Love
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
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This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
I't too funny.
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A skeleton, the philosophers say, cannot slobber.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:32:20 GMT, Christ's Love
<christsagape@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 20:43:39 -0700 (PDT), beelzebub
yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> wrote:
In my experience, most atheists (in this ng anyway) are incapable of
debate. Their dogma rivals or exceeds that of most theists, and even
the most brainwashed cults like Scientology. Try to cut through it is
like trying to have an intelligent conversation with Tom Cruise....
I'm beginning to understand the truth of that. These atheists are
either blind or dumb or lying or all three.
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If you were thinking about it you would realize that your list
includes more logical possibilities than "all three" after your list
of three things that might be wrong with us atheists.
Can you tell me how many?
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A skeleton, the philosophers say, cannot slobber.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On May 13, 5:06 pm, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
Always remember: Christ loves you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
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Great. "You're likely going to Hell" but don't worry because a guy
who's been dead for 2000+ years loves you, and I love you too! I'll
love you all the way to the gates of hell, Fredric. I'll even give
you a ride. Unfortunately, I won't be joining you because my
Christian faith levels consistently rank in the 97th percentile. Face
it Freddie, if I can keep things up and avoid voting Democrat, I'm
heaven-bound. I'm gonna miss ya, pal, but I'm sure you'll do just
fine in hell with all the other Democrats.
"Christ's Love," I admire that you expressed your own love for Fredric
rather than merely *reminding* him of the love that's emanating from
the dead man, but using fear to manipulate someone out of voting
Democrat doesn't seem very loving to me and doesn't seem like
something Jesus would like to see (...but what do I know about Jesus?
I've read and been told that he died almost 2000 years before I was
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SkyEyes
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On Jun 25, 2:08 pm, "Jack" <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerick...@comcast.com> wrote in messagenews:jfi364hccodkr0j7tkhcl28qoucqvfq9mo@4ax.com...> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT, Christ's Love
christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches
came from?
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Using the phrase "believe in" is highly confusing. When some people
use it they mean "follow the precepts of" or "choose to participate
in"; others mean "know it exists."
Nobody is disputing the christianity exists. I believe christianity
exists, I just decline to participate in it because I believe that its
core beliefs are fiction. So I could say that while I believe in
christianity, I don't believe in christianity. Put on your thinking
cap and see if you can see the difference.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On May 13, 5:33Â am, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 20:55:31 -0700, DanielSan
danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
beelzebub wrote:
In my experience, most atheists (in this ng anyway) are incapable of
debate. Â Their dogma rivals or exceeds that of most theists, and even
the most brainwashed cults like Scientology. Â Try to cut through it is
like trying to have an intelligent conversation with Tom Cruise....
What, exactly do you hope to accomplish by lying about atheists to atheists?
He's telling the precise truth, if my experience here is any
indication.
Always remember: Christ loves you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
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Ahem... I try hard not to argue or get into contentious conflicts
with others because of my faith or with people on the subject of
religious choice but you are a Christian and you are siding with
someone obviously instigating an argument here and not for the cause
of Christ. You can love him all you want but perhaps it's time to go
back and read that bible on the subject of beelzebub :
Ba‘al Zebûb, Ba‘al Zəbûb or Ba‘al Zəvûv (Hebrew בעל זבוב, with
numerous variants)[1] appears as the name of a deity worshipped in the
Philistine city of Ekron.
In ancient contexts, there appears to have been little, if any,
meaningful distinction between Beelzebub and the polytheistic Semitic
god named Ba‘al. Monotheistic Jewish reference to Baal was almost
certainly pejorative, and grew to be used among other terms for Satan.
The name later appears as the name of a demon or devil, often
interchanged with Beelzebul.
[..]
Ba‘al Zebûb might mean 'Lord of Zebûb', referring to an unknown place
called Zebûb, or 'Lord of things that fly' (zebûb being a Hebrew
collective noun for 'fly', thus the common lay translation 'Lord of
the Flies'). Thomas Kelly Cheyne suggested that it might be a
derogatory corruption of Ba'al Zebul, 'Lord of the High Place', or
'Lord of Heaven'.[2] The SeptuagintA renders the name as Baalzeboub,
SeptuagintB as Baal myîan 'Baal of flies', but Symmachus the Ebionite
may have reflected a tradition of its offensive ancient name when he
rendered it as Beelzeboul (Cath.Ency.).
The source for the name Ba‘al Zebûb / Beelzebub is in 2 Kings 1.2–
3,6,16 where King Ahaziah of Israel, after seriously injuring himself
in a fall, sends messengers to inquire of Ba‘al Zebûb, the god of the
Philistine city of Ekron, to learn if he will recover.
Ahaziah fell through the lattice in his upper chamber at Samaria and
was injured. So he sent messengers whom he instructed: "Go inquire of
Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, whether I shall recover from this
injury." (JPS translation)
Elijah the Prophet then condemns Ahaziah to die by Yahweh's words
because Ahaziah sought counsel from Ba‘al Zebûb rather than from
Yahweh.
In Christianity, the name Beelzebub or Beelzebul may appear as an
alternate name for Lucifer, the fallen angel or else may appear to
refer to the name of a lesser devil. As with several religions, the
names of any earlier foreign or "pagan" deities often became
synonymous with the concept of an adversarial entity.
In Mark 3, verse 22, the Pharisees accuse Jesus of driving out demons
by the power of Beelzeboul, prince of demons, the name also appearing
in the expanded version in Matthew 12.24,27 and Luke 11.15,18–19. The
name also occurs in Matthew 10.25:
Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, Every kingdom divided
against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided
against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Lucifer, he is
divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I
drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out?
So then, they will be your judges. But if I drive out demons by the
Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. (NIV
translation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub
Brother, please beware of wolves in sheep clothing.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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In article <7dde9f8a-b5e9-4ef8-8b83-dee15df1e31a@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net> writes:
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On Jun 25, 2:08=A0pm, "Jack" <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerick...@comcast.com> wrote in messagenews:jfi3=
64hccodkr0j7tkhcl28qoucqvfq9mo@4ax.com...> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT=
, Christ's Love
christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? =A0You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches
came from?
Using the phrase "believe in" is highly confusing. When some people
use it they mean "follow the precepts of" or "choose to participate
in"; others mean "know it exists."
Nobody is disputing the christianity exists. I believe christianity
exists, I just decline to participate in it because I believe that its
core beliefs are fiction. So I could say that while I believe in
christianity, I don't believe in christianity. Put on your thinking
cap and see if you can see the difference.
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Is this the same "Jack" who was ADDRESSING US AS THE VOICE OF
GOD FOR A WHILE?
If so, he's a troll pure and simple. And, oddly enough, once
I realized that, I sort of enjoyed his trolling. He was
just having silly fun -- as trolls go, the AntiJYoung.
-- cary
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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In article <g3ukns$tos$02$1@news.t-online.com> Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> writes:
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <7dde9f8a-b5e9-4ef8-8b83-dee15df1e31a@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net> writes:
On Jun 25, 2:08=A0pm, "Jack" <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerick...@comcast.com> wrote in messagenews:jfi3=
64hccodkr0j7tkhcl28qoucqvfq9mo@4ax.com...> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT=
, Christ's Love
christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? =A0You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches
came from?
Using the phrase "believe in" is highly confusing. When some people
use it they mean "follow the precepts of" or "choose to participate
in"; others mean "know it exists."
Nobody is disputing the christianity exists. I believe christianity
exists, I just decline to participate in it because I believe that its
core beliefs are fiction. So I could say that while I believe in
christianity, I don't believe in christianity. Put on your thinking
cap and see if you can see the difference.
Is this the same "Jack" who was ADDRESSING US AS THE VOICE OF
GOD FOR A WHILE?
If so, he's a troll pure and simple.
Na.... He was a Loki.
And, oddly enough, once
I realized that, I sort of enjoyed his trolling. He was
just having silly fun -- as trolls go, the AntiJYoung.
The way I read it, he had fun.
he's not a troll... he's a Loki. He's actually making fun of those idiots.
That's waaaay different from a troll.
Tokay
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Ooookay: using small words and, possibly, pictures, explain to
me what a Loki is?
(I've asked this before, but apparently the answer didn't stick)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On Jun 25, 4:48 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
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In article <g3ukns$tos$0...@news.t-online.com> Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.b...@gmx.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <7dde9f8a-b5e9-4ef8-8b83-dee15df1e...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> writes:
On Jun 25, 2:08=A0pm, "Jack" <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerick...@comcast.com> wrote in messagenews:jfi3> > >> 64hccodkr0j7tkhcl28qoucqvfq...@4ax.com...> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT> > >> , Christ's Love
christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? =A0You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches
came from?
Using the phrase "believe in" is highly confusing. When some people
use it they mean "follow the precepts of" or "choose to participate
in"; others mean "know it exists."
Nobody is disputing the christianity exists. I believe christianity
exists, I just decline to participate in it because I believe that its
core beliefs are fiction. So I could say that while I believe in
christianity, I don't believe in christianity. Put on your thinking
cap and see if you can see the difference.
Is this the same "Jack" who was ADDRESSING US AS THE VOICE OF
GOD FOR A WHILE?
If so, he's a troll pure and simple.
Na.... He was a Loki.
And, oddly enough, once
I realized that, I sort of enjoyed his trolling. He was
just having silly fun -- as trolls go, the AntiJYoung.
The way I read it, he had fun.
he's not a troll... he's a Loki. He's actually making fun of those idiots.
That's waaaay different from a troll.
Tokay
Ooookay: using small words and, possibly, pictures, explain to
me what a Loki is?
(I've asked this before, but apparently the answer didn't stick)
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'k. You got yer basic community. They hold opinions or positions on
some issues. Some community members respectfully disagree with some
of that, and discuss it with varying degrees of civility, but the
purpose of "real" discussion is actually to learn things from each
other.
Then you got yer garden variety troll. Trolls come into the community
with an opinion or position they know is unpopular or controversial,
intending to stir people up and cause argument, as opposed to learn or
teach something.
And then we come to the Loki troll. Loki trolls start out acting
pretty much like regular trolls, except the position a Loki troll is
taking (for the purpose of stirring people up) is one he doesn't
actually believe.
Some Loki trolls are secretly sockpuppets of existing members of the
community, out for a lark.
Usually the Loki troll will, on purpose or not, leave little hints
that he's not really serious, for example by going just a bit over the
top into parody or camp. Part of the game of a Loki troll is figuring
out that that's what you are dealing with. It's made pretty damn hard
when the real trolls are so stupid that they sound like parodies of
themselves to begin with.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@comcast.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT, Christ's Love
christsagape@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches |
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"Jack" <furgfurgfurg@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@comcast.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT, Christ's Love
christsagape@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches
came from?
Christianity really exists. The question is whether any doctrines taught |
by Christians are true. So far, they have utterly failed to defend their
claims. |
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Tokay Pino Gris
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
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In article <7dde9f8a-b5e9-4ef8-8b83-dee15df1e31a@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net> writes:
On Jun 25, 2:08=A0pm, "Jack" <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerick...@comcast.com> wrote in messagenews:jfi3=
64hccodkr0j7tkhcl28qoucqvfq9mo@4ax.com...> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:06:33 GMT=
, Christ's Love
christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:33 GMT, FR...@SkepticTank.Org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Still voting Republican? =A0You're a traitor.
Still voting Democrat? You're likely going to Hell.
This is a threat of hell not only for people who do not believe in
Christianity, but even for those who do not believe in republicanism.
If you don't believe in Christianity, where do you think all the churches
came from?
Using the phrase "believe in" is highly confusing. When some people
use it they mean "follow the precepts of" or "choose to participate
in"; others mean "know it exists."
Nobody is disputing the christianity exists. I believe christianity
exists, I just decline to participate in it because I believe that its
core beliefs are fiction. So I could say that while I believe in
christianity, I don't believe in christianity. Put on your thinking
cap and see if you can see the difference.
Is this the same "Jack" who was ADDRESSING US AS THE VOICE OF
GOD FOR A WHILE?
If so, he's a troll pure and simple.
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Na.... He was a Loki.
And, oddly enough, once
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I realized that, I sort of enjoyed his trolling. He was
just having silly fun -- as trolls go, the AntiJYoung.
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The way I read it, he had fun.
he's not a troll... he's a Loki. He's actually making fun of those idiots.
That's waaaay different from a troll.
Tokay
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Bacchus: A convenient deity invented by the ancients as an
excuse for getting drunk. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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"Stephen Durkin" <stephen.durkin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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(...but what do I know about Jesus?
I've read and been told that he died almost 2000 years before I was
born.).
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On May 13, 4:43 am, beelzebub <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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In my experience, most atheists (in this ng anyway) are incapable of
debate. Their dogma rivals or exceeds that of most theists, and even
the most brainwashed cults like Scientology. Try to cut through it is
like trying to have an intelligent conversation with Tom Cruise....
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One question I would like to have answered, if God is so much into
doing miracles and the like, why does he hate amputees?
When I see the likes of Max Cleland walking around on a pair of
regrown legs, and throwing a ball with his regrown arm, then I might
be more open to the discussion of "God". |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Atheists want to debate? Bring it on! |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:37:57 -0400, Cory Albrecht
<coryalbrecht@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Paul Ransom Erickson wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:02:14 GMT, Christ's Love
christsagape@yahoo.com> wrote:
Always remember: Christ loves you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
You know, it's a little ironic for someone who decides to identify as
"Christ's Love" to use such a childish response.
You do realize that you are responding to posts over a month old?
Christ's Love as mysteriously disappeared and has not posted in here in
a while.
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He got his butt handed to him over in alt.atheism, and is no doubt off
licking his wounds somewhere. |
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