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Apocalypse
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 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Evolution is not a fact |
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
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BRAINIAC
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On 25 Apr, 05:50, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
(A)
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The theory of evolution is nothing to do with the origin of life.
Theories are not facts, they are explanations of the facts.
Your statement is not a scientific fact, it is an opinion.
So are you going to accuse everyone who has responded to your post
liars?
If you do what facts will you present to prove that they are liars? |
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Dwib
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Apr 24, 11:50�pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory.
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Are you telling me that the theory of evolution is.... a theory!!!
Great Scot! My world is shattered!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Apr 24, 9:50 pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
(A)
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Unless you have the courage to put forth your own theory, you, sir,
are a sniveling coward. |
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Boikat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Apr 24, 11:50 pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
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Evolution is an observed phenomena, therefore, it is a fact. Your
mistake (or ignorance) is conflating the attempt to *explain* the
observed phenomena.
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This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
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Crack open a book on basic science and cure your ignorance.
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Lee Jay
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Apr 24, 10:50 pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
(A)
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That evolution occurs is an observed fact. We see it, we use it, we
even suffer from it. This has been true for thousands of years.
We've bred plants and animals (that's evolution). We've been attacked
by microorganisms and many of us have died from them. Those that
survived went on to produce offspring with more immunity to those
organisms than the population before them. That is evolution. It's
been observed so many times, by so many people, in so many ways, that
it occurs it's a fact.
The descriptions of how it occurs, what actually happens when it
occurs, why it occurs, and when it has occurred, are theories.
Theories are what you get when you obtain substantial evidence in
support of hypotheses. Such hypotheses can never become more than
"theories" because that's the highest level achievable in modern
science. The theory of Special Relativity is extremely well proven,
used daily in everything from accelerators to GPS satellites. Yet it
remains a theory - a description or model of observed reality.
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Shane
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:50:08 -0500, Apocalypse wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
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Not surprisingly, you miss the whole point of science. Science is not in
the business of saying this theory, which explains this fact, is set in
stone and is impossible to refute. That level of dogmatism is from the
superstitious end of the spectrum, and has no place in science. For
something to be scientific it must be falsifiable, which means capable
of being shown not to be a fact. Thus if someone does contradict your
"fact", then they would be doing science, not lying.
HTH
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Thurisaz the Einherjer
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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Clueless morontheist "Apocalypse":
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It is at *best* a theory.
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_And_ a fact. Let alone that you clearly don't know shit about what "theory"
means in a scientific context. Thanks for demonstrating your total
cluelessness.
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The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where
we came from
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Thanks for yet more proof of your willful ignorance. Evolutionary theory
does not even _try_ to answer any question of origin.
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This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
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But not the criteria of some funny concept called "grammar". More evidence
supporting the claim that you never saw a classroom from the inside.
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Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
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Hic Rhodos. Hic salta. Show us evidence supporting your above claims.
Well, let's play fast-forward here to save time. If you even try, you will
present the same old bullshit that you morontheists always hurl at thinking
educated persons (because you have nothing else). We will debunk it once
more. You have made a fool of yourself (yes, even more than now) and are
back to square one. What now?
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
My personal judgment of monotheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus |
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Rusty Sites
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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Apocalypse wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
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The fact is that you don't have near enough knowledge to make such a
pronouncement.
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This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
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The first sentence makes no sense but the second one seems to reveal the
message anyway. You said and that settles it. |
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Ernest Major
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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In message <48116300$0$20168$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Apocalypse
<Apocalypse@NoSpam.Com> writes
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It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
Are you an atheist? or are you calling God a liar? |
http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML
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Paul J Gans
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote:
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:22:02 -0400, BRAINIAC wrote
(in article
728e9d78-5d55-42f8-81e9-81f5097cbb3e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
On 25 Apr, 12:05, Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:50Â pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
It is at *best* a theory. Â The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
What do you think that scientific facts are?
All of science is tentative. Â Even the touted "laws." Â You just have
to look into the fact that we had to rewrite the first law of thermo
when we discovered radioactivity and nuclear fusion.
Just out of curiousity do you have a citation to support that
statement?
Errm... 1 Thermo is all about energy. However, it has Been Revealed that E =
mc^2 and all that, so following the work of Curie, Berquel, and of course the
Big E himself, 1 Thermo had to be modified. 1 Thermo now includes _mass_.
It's gotta.
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<grin> The reality went the other way. Thermo didn't change a
bit since there is no chemical or ordinary physical way to convert
mass into energy in any measurable amount.
What was recognized was that mass was equivalent to energy. But
since both mass and energy were known to be conserved, the major
effect was that two conservation laws got collapsed into one.
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Harry K
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Apr 25, 4:24 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Apr 24, 9:50 pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
I would have to agree.
My personal research that is on-going for the past two, going on three
years now, has shown me that the evidence does not support the claims:
therefore, there is no evidence that evolution of any increment or at
any rate has ever occurred or has occurred on this planet. I used to
accept microevolution, but as I just explained the evidence does not
support the claim. Evolution is an idea that presupposes Materialism
to be true, the same is Atheist ideology. Once the idea is accepted it
is not subject to falsification; evidence and data are merely
explained to support the idea or supposition of evolution no matter
what. Evolution is Atheist philosophy packaged as science. That is the
objective truth of the matter.
This [....] statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
(A)
Agreed.
Ray
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Still staring at that blank page that begins your paper? With all
that intense research, you must have at leat _some_ notes. Care to
post a few of them?
Harry K |
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hersheyh
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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On Apr 25, 12:50 am, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
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It is at *best* a theory.
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In science, an explanation of observations that meets the criteria of
being a "theory" is one that must be testable, make testable
predictions or expectations, *and* consistently be in agreement with
the observations that those tests entail. A "theory" is a grander
explanation than merely an explanation consistent with a single
hypothesis testing.
Merely by proposing the above sentence, which uses a non-scientific
definition of "theory" that has been known to be bogus for decades,
and by your failure to interact beyond this post by actually
intelligently (or even dim-wittedly, which is probably the best you
can do) responding to the critiques that followed, I hypothesize that
you are nothing but an agent provocateur, a hit-and-run cretinist.
Such are even lower forms of cretinist than the persistently deluded
that at least try to argue their position. Of course, the predicted
test of this hypothesis (that you will continue to fail to respond to
others) will never be certain and could easily be falsified.
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The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
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Well, since theory generation requires both the gathering of empirical
rather than revealed evidence, a chain of logical reasoning based on
non-supernatural assumptions and knowledge of the many, many, examples
of hypothesis testing, nearly all of which have to be consistent with
the final theory for that theory to be generally accepted, I can
certainly see why you would not consider anything that you disagree
with a 'fact', even if it were shoved up yer...
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This is statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
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Isn't it grand to be so open to evidence that you know, without even
having a shred of empirical support for your proposition, that honest
scientists who have done honest science for generations are wrong and
part of a grand atheist conspiracy because they have collectively come
to conclusions you disagree with! Such humility! You must be a real
polymath genius to realize where all these hard-working scientists
over many generations, scientists of many faiths and no faith,
scientists of many countries, have gone so badly wrong. Perhaps it is
that *ALL* science is an atheistic conspiracy and we should go back to
the pre-scientific times when people *knew* what mattered, faith and
ignorance (and short, nasty, and brutish lives).
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Dana Tweedy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c11cb3f4-b718-405b-beda-e3470fee8fc5@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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On Apr 24, 9:50 pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about where
we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
I would have to agree.
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But you'd be wrong.
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My personal research that is on-going for the past two, going on three
years now, has shown me that the evidence does not support the claims:
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Ray, your "research" has not provided you with any actual knowledge of the
process of evolution, or it's mechanism. Why should anyone accept your
claims?
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therefore, there is no evidence that evolution of any increment or at
any rate has ever occurred or has occurred on this planet.
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Then, why is there so much evidence that it has?
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I used to
accept microevolution, but as I just explained the evidence does not
support the claim.
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You have asserted this, but you haven't shown you even know how to define
the term "microevolution". You also seem to ignore the large volume of
evidence that supports evolutionary change in populations.
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Evolution is an idea that presupposes Materialism
to be true, the same is Atheist ideology.
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No, evolution does not "presuppose" Materialism. It's a scientific theory,
and as such, uses methodological natualism, not hard Materialism.
Evolution, like any other science presumes that what can be seen and
experienced reflects reality. It presumes that a trickster god isn't
messing around with events. It presumes that evidence means something.
That's not atheist ideology, and can be used by any religious position.
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Once the idea is accepted it
is not subject to falsification; evidence and data are merely
explained to support the idea or supposition of evolution no matter
what.
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Of course, that's not how science works. Evolution is open to
falsification, if there were any evidence that falsifies the concept. If
it were to be shown that populations did not vary, then evolution would be
falsifed. If it could be shown that traits are not inheritied, or that
traits were random, that would falsify evolution.
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Evolution is Atheist philosophy packaged as science. That is the
objective truth of the matter.
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No matter how often you make that statement, it's still false. There is no
objective truth in your claim.
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This [....] statement meets the criteria to be considered a scientific
fact.
Anyone that contradicts this is a liar.
(A)
Agreed.
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And you are wrong, yet again. Seems to be a pattern.
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Dana Tweedy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 25, 4:24 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 24, 9:50 pm, "Apocalypse" <Apocaly...@NoSpam.Com> wrote:
It is at *best* a theory. The truth is that there is no conclusive
scientific evidence to support any claim that we know enough about
where we
came from to call any idea currently on the table....a fact.
I would have to agree.
Except for Creationism.
I have now corrected a mistake.
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No, you have just made another mistake. There is no scientific evidence
to support creationism.
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