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Suzanne
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 Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Evolution is not a fact |
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"Anthony Williams" <TruthSeeker@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Suzanne wrote:
eroot@swva.net> wrote in message
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On May 19, 1:17 am, "Suzanne" <shil...@flash.net> wrote:
er...@swva.net> wrote in message
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On May 10, 10:15 pm, "Suzanne" <shil...@flash.net> wrote:
(snip)
It also shows that
A. is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the
God the Father, whose son is Jesus Christ.
Not true. He very specifically _is_ the God of Abraham, etc. "Allah"
is just the Arabic word for "God," used by all Arabs, whether
Christian, Jewish or Muslim. It is just as dumb to say Allah isn't
God as it is to say Deo or Gott isn't God.
Also, Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of God, just not
that he
was _identical_ with God.
I used to think that what you are saying is true
until I read what the Koran says about God and
about Jesus.
The Bible says that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son,"
in John 3:16; John 1:18; John 3:18; 1 John 4:9.
The Koran says:
(God) begets not, nor was He begotten. (Qur'an 112:3)
The Bible also says that the Son, Jesus says that he
and the Father are one. "If you've seen me, you've
seen the Father." So he says they are identical with
one another, while the Muslims teach that the Son
if not identical with God. The Bible also teaches
that Jesus Christ IS God in John 1:1.
Suzanne
But those are theological differences in opinion about the nature of
Jesus, _not_ that Muslims and Christians don't worship the same god
(i.e., God).
These are NOT opinions. Neither of them claim to be
opinions, each claims to be the word of God. You have
the free will to choose the one that you think is the
word of God. I have chosen that it is the Bible. You can
read for yourself that they are NOT identical with one
another. One says that God did not begat, and one says
that Jesus is God's "only begotten son" (John 3:16).
Since Adam and Eve were on the face of the earth,
according to the Bible, God has promised that he would
send the Seed/Redeemer (Genesis 3:15) who would
cause the death blow to Satan, i.e. the seed of the serpent
that tempted Eve to sin. The Seed/Redeemer/Messiah
is spoken of for thousands of years in the Old Testament.
Finally Daniel pins down the time and says that when the
Messiah comes, his life will be cut short and yet that will
not be for his sake, but for the sake of others. It tells a
countdown which can be traced. It tells that when the
messiah is "cut off," in other words, when he dies, after
that the Temple/holy place will be destroyed. In the year
72 A.D., the temple was destroyed in Jerusalem. Jesus
even told that when that happened, not one stone would
be left upon another. (The Western Wall is not part of
the temple, but part of the retaining wall that was around
the temple.) Daniel told this long before Jesus was on
the earth. These Bible verses are hundreds and thousands
of years apart. In the New Testament when Jesus was
talking with a woman of Samaria, commonly called
"The Woman At The Well," that he asked for a drink of
water, he revealed unto her that he is the Messiah. He
also told her things about herself that astonished her that
he knew, and she believed, and went and told everyone
that she had met the Messiah. The New Testament says
that one day later in his ministry, Jesus was in the place
where the people worshipped and he read to them it says
all the places in the Scriptures that were about the
Messiah, and then he announced that he is that one. They
wanted to run him out of town on a rail and said he was
guilty of blaspheming God. As a nation the Jews did not
accept him as being the Messiah. They were looking for
a king that would bring immediate peace. But if they
had read what Daniel had said, they would not have
concluded that because Daniel, one whom they knew
was a prophet told them already what to expect, and
it would not be a king that immediately would take
over the world.
In fairness to the ones that believe the Koran, in the
Middle East, there is an idea, and it comes from
the present day Jews, that in each year a person is
born that potentially could become the Messiah. So,
when the Muslims mention Jesus as being a prophet,
and when they study the Bible (which many do) to
see what words Jesus the prophet says, they also
believe at the same time, that since he died on the
cross, he must not be the messiah. You see they
don't have any problem accepting the virgin birth,
and they honor Mary also as being a pure woman
of faith. But this idea from the Middle East says
also that since Jesus didn't make it, in their
estimation, then someone yet will come who will
be the Messiah. However, the scriptures make it
plain that messiahship is not an office to attain to.
It is something that one already is when he is born.
The Jews in Jesus day did not believe what these
modern day people say. When the wise men came
to see Herod and wanted to find the Christ child
(Christ means the same thing as "messiah," which
is "the annointed one), Herod called his Jewish
courtiers together to determine from them where
this king of the Jews would be born. They gave
him an answer that he would be born in Bethlehem.
They seemed to have the information then that he
would be born king, not given kingship later. In
fact, Isaiah chapter 9 tells that the messiah will
be a child when he is the messiah. The book of
Matthew also backs up Isaiah 7:14 about this
child. "For unto us a child is born, and the
government shall be upon his shoulder, and
his name will be wonderful, counsellor, the
mighty God, the everlasting father, the prince
of peace (Is. 9). So this says nothing about him
being a grown man being all those things, but
being a child being all those things. According
to what the Bible says about Herod deterimining
about this new baby king, he believed himself,
based on what he had been told by these Jews,
that the messiah is a baby who is born a king.
Otherwise, Herod would not have ordered the
killing of all the Hebrew children who were
boys, from birth age up to two years of age.
Nevertheless, you have free will and the choice
is yours as to what you believe. I've told you
what I believe and some of why I believe it.
Best Regards,
Suzanne
I am sorry, Suzanne but you really are OBVIOUSLY still in the "Baby
Christian" phase. A lot of us have already been there done that.
Then some of you are confused.
Suzanne |
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