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Budikka666
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: ID-ist Michael Behe Taken Apart at the Seams |
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via www.pandasthumb.org, Gert Korthof show show Behe's latest book
"The Edge of Evolution" is irreducibly stupid:
http://tinyurl.com/2kpy3j
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: Re: ID-ist Michael Behe Taken Apart at the Seams |
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Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in news:1185840162.847023.6400
@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
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www.pandasthumb.org
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T-urf13 forms heteromeric complexes in the membrane. This means that
different subunits bind at least two other subunits. This means that each
subunit must have at least two different protein binding sites. That’s at
least two “CCC’s”.
T-urf doesn’t just form heteromers in membranes. It forms a gated ion
channel. This means that each heteromeric complex must be capable of
adopting at least two different conformations, of changing from one to
another, and of shepherding ions through the phospholipid bilayer. This
all means that the heteromers are not some non-descript clumps of
polypeptide; they possess all the functionality of other, more well-known
gated ion channels.
One more thing – the ion channel is gated. It binds a polyketide toxin,
and the consequence is an opening of the channel. This is a third binding
site. This is not another protein binding site, and I rather suppose that
Behe would argue that this isn’t relevant to the Edge of Evolution. But
the notion of a “CCC” derives from consideration of changes in a
transporter (PfCRT) that alter the interaction with chloroquine; toxin
binding by T-urf13 is quite analogous to the interaction between PfCRT
and chloroquine. Thus, this third function of T-urf13 is akin to yet
another “CCC”.
The bottom line – T-urf13 consists of at least three “CCCs”. Running some
numbers, we can guesstimate that T-urf13 would need about 10^60 events of
some sort in order to occur. Recalling Behe’s summation from p. 146:
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What a person evaluating the argument needs to consider is:
Information is a measurable quanity and each "design"
no matter, what it's cause, will not function until
all the information exists.
Design is not like assembling a jigsaw puzzle. Because
the Mona Lisa can be arrainged on a table out of
pieces, does not mean it was not designed by Leonardo.
This is also true of amino acids, they depend on the complexity
variabliity and behavior of atoms. Proof atoms were able
to manifestat life without intervention would not
lessen the need for design, it would increase it.
It would mean life, and the mechanism that creates it
were designed in advance, and imbeded in the very nature of reality.
Do you know, a computer can be designed to run within
John Conway's the game of life.
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