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Budikka666
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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: Why There's No Design #130 |
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At the Genomicron, we learn that human DNA at 3.5 Gbp is only about
one tenth the size of a variety of wild garlic (Alium ursinum) at
roughly 30.8 Gbp:
http://genomicron.blogspot.com/search/label/Genome%20size
Did the designer, with all eternity in which to work, and infinite
resources at its command, need to design ten times as much DNA into
wild garlic as it did into humans?
Unless the garlic is truly an advanced race, far ahead of humans in
physical and mental development, the massive bulk of that genome is,
in fact, nothing but junk or unnecessarily duplicated genetic
material. Would an *intelligent* designer really be so appallingly
wasteful?
The range (in the genus "Alium") in genome size runs from 7pg
(picograms) to 31.5pg. Now these are all of the same genus, and
evolutionists have proof of evolution at the level of the genus.
So, in the ID creationist dichotomy, either this genus of plants was
designed with an unnecessary ~25pg of genetic material (or it was
designed with the necessary material, but some genera lost massive
amounts, yet somehow still manage to thrive) or there is evolution,
and evolution has been adding new information to the genome quite
easily.
Evidence of design? Nope. It's more evidence of evolution.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Why There's No Design #130 |
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In article <1181989894.258288.186670@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
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At the Genomicron, we learn that human DNA at 3.5 Gbp is only about
one tenth the size of a variety of wild garlic (Alium ursinum) at
roughly 30.8 Gbp:
http://genomicron.blogspot.com/search/label/Genome%20size
Did the designer, with all eternity in which to work, and infinite
resources at its command, need to design ten times as much DNA into
wild garlic as it did into humans?
Unless the garlic is truly an advanced race, far ahead of humans in
physical and mental development, the massive bulk of that genome is,
in fact, nothing but junk or unnecessarily duplicated genetic
material. Would an *intelligent* designer really be so appallingly
wasteful?
The range (in the genus "Alium") in genome size runs from 7pg
(picograms) to 31.5pg. Now these are all of the same genus, and
evolutionists have proof of evolution at the level of the genus.
So, in the ID creationist dichotomy, either this genus of plants was
designed with an unnecessary ~25pg of genetic material (or it was
designed with the necessary material, but some genera lost massive
amounts, yet somehow still manage to thrive) or there is evolution,
and evolution has been adding new information to the genome quite
easily.
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Maybe the "designer" was padding his bill by adding extra base pairs.
You have to watch these contractors.
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Evidence of design? Nope. It's more evidence of evolution.
Budikka
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
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Dave Oldridge
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Why There's No Design #130 |
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"Mennia" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:f51l6d$tf$1
@stable.tornevall.net:
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mevans@gcfn.org> wrote in message
news:1182025392.233302.43800@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 16, 3:21 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 16, 9:47 am, "Kathy" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1182003442.976063.284600@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
And then again there are men and women who spend much of there
life
in order to help garlic survive. They nurture it and keep it save
from
pests, and predators (other then humans)
Any garlic around here ends up being eaten in one of many recipes.
 )
I guess vampirism isn't much of a problem in your neighborhood!
Budikka
It's not the bulbs, despite popular fiction, it's the flowers.
Growing garlic keeps them away. For a while.
I wish it would keep the Jehovah's Witlesses away on Saturday mornings.
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When I was a young fellow, me and a pal enlisted the dog's help and
answered the door in togas with the dog playing dead on a tarp in the
living room, visible from the door and a lot of red sauce sprayed around.
We were carrying large, "bloody" knives. My pal opened his front door
and then said, "Oh, I'm terribly sorry, you've just missed the afternoon
sacrifice."
They did not walk away. They FLED! The dog thought it was as funny as
we did! Besides, he got to lick up the loose sauce!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Why There's No Design #130 |
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"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in news:
1182106858.213781.294590@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
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On 16 jun, 22:40, Agnostic...@hotmail.com wrote:
Just read recently about some extra (so far discovered) "junk genes"
not being just junk. In all the confident statements caution is
advised...
So many things we just don't know.
here is the url:
http://tinyurl.com/28je7x
Quote:
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It is not the sort of clutter that you get rid of without consequences
because you might need it. Evolution may need it," he said
I would say that supports Budikka's claim
Evolution may need it,
but What would ID need it for?
Peter van Velzen
June 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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Perhaps I can't explain it to you. Does that mean that the "junk
genes" so called by some are really junk? Do you have the proof? Or do
you want to believe there is a proof for that? Well that is quite a
different thing. Since we know a precious little about it maybe we
should just shut up and dig some more? Who knows (assuming there are
more than just four dimensions in the universe we know about) what is
happening in all 30 or more possible dimensions of the universe? Maybe
those "junk (so called) genes" are vital for the life to even exist.
And maybe that can be understood only after figuring out those extra
dimensions. Since we don't know it, it might be just nice of us to
admit it and not make claims we cannot prove... . As I mentioned
before creationist's proof is non existent (as in TOTAL proof) as is
atheists proof when it comes to answering the question of how did the
life come to be.
Buddika's claim seems to assume the extra stuff which role is not
known by today's scientists is just 100% junk. Do they give their
heads for that, or do they just want to look smart? ;-). Since I
assume it cannot be totally proven, it is not a total proof. You can
again choose to believe it proves something, but that is just a
belief. And it should be stated as such.
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