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Average Joe
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 Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: no proof against creation |
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letś suppose for a minute that evolution, abiogenesis, big bang, etc.,
exist
these could just be the *means* of creation
you have yet to disprove creation itself
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J.J. O'Shea
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: Re: no proof against creation |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:57:49 -0400, Average Joe wrote
(in article <S5mdneGtiLsAOsfbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com>):
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letś suppose for a minute that evolution, abiogenesis, big bang, etc.,
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You're confused. Several of the terms you use above don't mean what you seem
to think they mean. Hint: something which happened once, or a finite number
of times, a long time ago does not exist _now_. Evolution is an ongoing
process. The other two are (were) point events. Then there's that 'etc'...
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these could just be the *means* of creation
you have yet to disprove creation itself
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So now you're a theistic evolutionist, not a literalist? Ray-ray will be most
upset with you.
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Average Joe
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: Re: no proof against creation |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 06:13:22 -0400, J.J. O'Shea wrote:
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So now you're a theistic evolutionist, not a literalist?
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I was speaking hypothetically, evolutionists think just because they have
thought up some new fangled thing that they have changed the landscape of
the human experience
by the way, I am not a Christian, I am a solipsist
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Friar Broccoli
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: Re: no proof against creation |
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On May 28, 6:41 am, Average Joe <THIS_IS_A_SPAMT...@comcast.net>
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 06:13:22 -0400, J.J. O'Shea wrote:
So now you're a theistic evolutionist, not a literalist?
I was speaking hypothetically, evolutionists think just because they have
thought up some new fangled thing that they have changed the landscape of
the human experience
by the way, I am not a Christian, I am a solipsist
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Then you're not talking to me? |
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Dick C
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: Re: no proof against creation |
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Average Joe wrote in talk.origins
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 06:13:22 -0400, J.J. O'Shea wrote:
So now you're a theistic evolutionist, not a literalist?
I was speaking hypothetically, evolutionists think just because they have
thought up some new fangled thing that they have changed the landscape of
the human experience
by the way, I am not a Christian, I am a solipsist
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However you spell it, it is pronounced druggie.
Your brain is so fried from the drugs that you have no idea of
what you are doing.
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deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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stew dean
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: Re: no proof against creation |
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On 28 May, 12:53, Average Joe <THIS_IS_A_SPAMT...@comcast.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 04:16:09 -0700, Dustan wrote:
Well... yes, we do. Just because it doesn't disprove previous ideas
(yes, you heard me right: evolution and creation are NOT in conflict,
although I don't believe creationism is the answer), doesn't mean
evolution is a worthless piece of bull**** ever. I can only speak for
myself here: I don't try to disprove creationism. I support evolution.
There's a difference between the two.
yes, but this group is specifically an evolution versus creationism
debate and *you* have _LOST_
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Two things - who is 'you' in this case. If it is ,as I suspect, non
creationists, then on what basis do you think that they have lost.
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From all I've seen one by one the pockets of resistance against
evolution and secular humanism are being eroded and contained. In |
terms of acceptance of evolution the US is something 40th in the
global list, Iceland being the country with the lowest percentage of
creationists. In the US, from an outside point of view, the battle
has been taken up several notches over the last five years and the
creationists, once given respect for their religious views, are
loosing that right. it's not pretty and the level of debate is in the
'shock jock' realm but you only need to see how popular the 'Daily
Show' is to see how things are changing in the states. The creationism
vs evolution debate appears to be in line with the Red vs Blue debate
I see raging in the US.
But even more obvious than that secularists took to the street in
Turkey to defend the right of a secular government (something that
should also happen in the US after this was subverted in the 1950s -
it's one nation undivided, not one nation under god originally).
Turkey has about 50% creationists and is probably the key battle
ground for creationism - and looks like it's loosing ground there.
So with the educated western world having dropped creationism as part
of the everyman's view of life (the US being the one notable laggard)
and developing eastern countries already there it looks like the
middle east and middle America are the last places creationism is the
prominent point of view.
So what battle exactly is 'lost'?
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