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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
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Support Dr. Gonzalez. Support academic freedom.
Gonzalez is coauthor of:
1. The Privileged Planet
2. Observational Astronomy Combat materialism.
http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/Gonzalez.html.
(a high-level-university astronomy textbook)
Read more on ID.
http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/index.html |
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Mike Dworetsky
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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"MatthewTan" <elearningstreams@gmail.com> wrote in message
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One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
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Is this a poll? I cast one vote for Behe.
Didn't you see that clip on YouTube where Behe says he doesn't care about
the public schools because his kids don't go to them? Didn't you read the
Dover trial transcripts?
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Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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Kleuskes & Moos
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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On 19 mei, 10:34, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
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One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony.
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Neither trait is "desirable for scientists" any more than it is for
anyone else. Moreover if the "decorum and a developed sense of irony"
stand in the way of what is _really_ important (like knowledge,
integrity and innovative thinking), stuff them.
I'd rather be dealing with an jerk who's integrity is intact than with
a corrupted pseudo-scientist with "decorum and a developed sense of
irony" any time of the day or night.
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University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
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And PZ Myers hits the nail on the head. Courtisy isn't called for when
integrity is at stake.
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I added the asterisks.
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You shouldn't have. Michael Fucking Behe is a moron and he deserves
every pejorative he gets after the dover trial.
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Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
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PZMyers does. I don't know what Behe teaches, but if I go by his
testimony in Dover, he should not be a professor.
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Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
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Michael fucking Beheheheh... Who else? PZ Myers can only be accused of
a lack of "decorum", which isn't a big deal, Behe admitted to a total
lack of scientific integrity in the Dover Trails. |
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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On May 19, 9:34 am, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
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One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
---
Support Dr. Gonzalez. Support academic freedom.
Gonzalez is coauthor of:
1. The Privileged Planet
2. Observational Astronomy Combat materialism.http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/Gonzalez.html.
(a high-level-university astronomy textbook)
Read more on ID.http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/index.html
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....which leads to a page advertising books on ID.
And which more or less confirms that ID is no more than a cynical
marketting ploy.
This looks like pyramid selling.
Isn't that illegal?
RF |
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The Last Conformist
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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On May 19, 10:34 am, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
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One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
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Michael Behe. Is this a trick question? |
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Shane
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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On 19 May 2007 01:34:49 -0700, MatthewTan wrote:
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One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
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Behe, obviously, as he is the one that wants to change the whole
definition of science to fit in his pet unevidenced beliefs. Myers may
swear every second word and that does not necessarily alter the quality
of the science education he gives.
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Support Dr. Gonzalez. Support academic freedom.
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I do support academic freedom. Universities should be free to offer
tenure to whom they will.
Given you position on Gonzales, do you agree that Bob Jones University
should be allowed to state the following on its recruitment page?
http://www.bju.edu/about/positions.php
"Disclaimer: The jobs posted here are open to individuals who have
previous ties to Bob Jones University whether they be educational,
familial, churches with a history of BJU interests, etc. --only those
who have such relationships or other ties that the University would
consider to be in alignment with our charter, creed, mission statement,
and general policies.
Bob Jones University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color,
sex, age, national origin, protected disability, marital status or
veteran status."
The creed referenced above is found here;
http://www.bju.edu/about/creed/
and reads
"University Creed
Each day in chapel we recite the University Creed. It is a concise
statement of the most important truths taught in God's Word.
I believe in the inspiration of the Bible (both the Old and the New
Testaments); the creation of man by the direct act of God; the
incarnation and virgin birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ; His
identification as the Son of God; His vicarious atonement for the sins
of mankind by the shedding of His blood on the cross; the resurrection
of His body from the tomb; His power to save men from sin; the new birth
through the regeneration by the Holy Spirit; and the gift of eternal
life by the grace of God."
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Rolf
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 19, 9:55 am, Frank J <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 19, 4:34 am, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science education?
Behe of course. Here's why:
Myers' job is to provide technical arguments against ID/creationism to
other critics. He does that job well, becasue we can tune out his
irrelevant philosphical arguments, which don't misrepresent the
science anyway. But most noncientists cannot tease apart the
differences, so his arguments, and occasional 4-letter words, if made
to the general public, would probably help more than hinder the ID
scammers.
Frank: By calling the IDists scammers you are really saying that they
are liars; that is, that they know for a fact that ID is false and are
willfully perpetuating a lie. Can you please tell us what makes you
think that Dembski or Wells or Behe know that Darwinian materialism-
evolution is true, and why any one of them are campaigning against the
truth via ID science?
Unlike Behe, though, Myers does not go out of his way to
peddle his ideas to anyone who is not already very interested in
evolution and anti-evolution pseudoscience. So his direct effect on
the public is negligible. His indirect effect, via more diplomatic
messengers, can only be positive.
Behe instead, had spent over a decade tirelessly misrepresenting
evolution, everywhere and every way he can.
Behe accepts common ancestry, and he accepts it based on the facts
produced by his peers. In this context he wonders why his peers reject
his facts? There are no misrepresentations (= deliberate lies) but
quite possibly normal human errors that we all make from time to time.
While I don't know offhand
if he ever personally promoted the increasingly common arguments tying
evolution to eugenics, "evoltutionists" to Hitler, or like Bill
O'Reilly equating defending science education to fascism, but he
certainly stands by those who do.
The evolution-eugenics connection is a historic fact. Darwinian
revisionists have been working hard to cloud the issue but historians
know that every major evolutionist prior to the evolutionary synthesis
of the 1940s (with a handful of exceptions) promoted eugenics
scientifically or philosophically in their writings. Galton was
Darwin's cousin and he invented the illegitimate discipline based on
Darwin's "scientific" findings. The best thing for Darwinists to do is
to face it head-on and renounce. Any given Darwinist who denies the
historical facts feeds the claims of Creationists that evolutionists
are dishonest and that the dishonesty does not miraculously stop at
the laboratory door.
My brand of Protestantism squarely admits that the Crusades were wrong
and evil and that we apologize (for what it is worth).
Speaking of 4-letter words, the DI is curiously silent on Ray
Martinez, the *creationist* who lately can clear out a truck stop with
his language. Yes I know that UD banned him (not sure if permanently)
but since the average person is more likely to come across an
expletive from Ray than from PZ, their double standard is quite
revealing.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the DI.
UD is run by a closet Atheist hiding behind a label of Agnostic only
because Dembski gave him the power. Any IDist or Christian who does
not align them self with Dr. Scott is a moron and a Fundamentalist. I
do not post at UD because their set-up consists of a few "big
names" (only one really is - Dembski) who produce the issues while
everyone else is subordinate. Except Dembski, not a one of the other
"big names" do I feel intellectually inferior to. Except Dembski, none
of them say a damn thing that I don't already know.
I use profanity to make points - never indiscriminately. "Profanity"
is legitimate minority culture in this country. It is about time dumb
fucking racist white people woke up to this fact and put away their
neo-Fundamentalist Puritanism. It is about time that the FCC ceased
their double standard of allowing rampant sex and violence on
television but maintain a list of seven disallowed words not to be
spoken on the airwaves.
Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Creationist.
PS: I am still writing my paper - release ASAP.
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Robert Carnegie
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: Re: The discrimination card |
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On 20 Mag, 16:36, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
Vend wrote:
On 19 Mag, 10:34, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Support Dr. Gonzalez. Support academic freedom.
Gonzalez is coauthor of:
1. The Privileged Planet
2. Observational Astronomy Combat >materialism.http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/Gonzalez.html.
(a high-level-university astronomy textbook)
Read more on ID.http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/index.html
I think there is a bad habit in western societies that when someone
belonging to a minority (ethnical, sexual, religious, etc.) is denied
something, a claim of discrimination usually follows and sometimes
it's listened to.
Sometimes it's genuine. Do you think that discrimination should be
practised, or tolerated?
No.
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Well, in that case, there needs to be a means for discovering and
rectifying discrimination. and that's what we're discussing - the "bad
habit" of taking note and doing something about it. |
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Tiny Bulcher
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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On May 21, 2:39 am, geop...@hotmail.com wrote:
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On May 20, 11:26 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Since you
guys are Darwinists and since you believe apes morphed into men
Liar! Apes EVOLVED into men.
the
accusation of liar is the best evidence that we are not. Your approval
would have proven us liars.
Ray, this logic makes no sense. Can't you see that? How on earth does
one go from 'you guys are darwinists' to 'the opposite of what you say
is true'?
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Has anyone, whether Christian, Atheist, creationist, 'evolutionist',
sane, insane or stoned, EVER, even once, agreed with Ray about
anything?
Anyone?
Anywhere? |
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Rolf
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 19, 12:13 pm, Frank J <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 19, 1:54 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 19, 9:55 am, Frank J <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 19, 4:34 am, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully
Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate
Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read daily
by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the methods
of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science
education?
Behe of course. Here's why:
Myers' job is to provide technical arguments against ID/creationism
to
other critics. He does that job well, becasue we can tune out his
irrelevant philosphical arguments, which don't misrepresent the
science anyway. But most noncientists cannot tease apart the
differences, so his arguments, and occasional 4-letter words, if
made
to the general public, would probably help more than hinder the ID
scammers.
Frank: By calling the IDists scammers you are really saying that they
are liars; that is, that they know for a fact that ID is false and are
willfully perpetuating a lie. Can you please tell us what makes you
think that Dembski or Wells or Behe know that Darwinian materialism-
evolution is true, and why any one of them are campaigning against the
truth via ID science?
I have said many times before that I think that they know that they
are misleading the people.
You and an army of other fellow howlers are the only ones saying that,
Frank. It's too bad you have chosen to go the way of broken record Ron
"ID is a scam" Okimoto. We know for a fact that Evolution is a lie;
the appearance of design seen in nature and its organisms - an
appearance atheist Dawkins admits to exist by illusion - corresponds
to invisible Designer, and not a mindless process.
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Every day, molecules assemble in the most marvelous configurations Is that
not, in your words, 'a mindless process'
From a single cell, molecules are being assembled into a complete, living,
functioning body; say something like a creationist - like you. Is that not,
in your words, a mindless process?
How do you know the limits to what 'mindless processes can do? How do you
determine that?
You say 'invisible designer', but didn't Behe suggest that the designer
might be dead?
BTW, Ray - you should not feel inferior to Dembski. You stupidity beats
Dembski by a safe margin.
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Since you and Ron
are Darwinists the accusation of liar and "scam" means Behe and
Dembski are telling the truth. If you had agreed with us then we are
proven liars. Anyone without atheist needs can confirm what Behe and
Dembski say with their own two eyes; apparatus that tell us that you
and Ron are mother-fucking liars doing what all Darwinists have ever
done to anyone who disagrees with your atheist denial of design
reality (slander, Slander, SLANDER).
Ray
SNIP predictable atheist-Darwinian slander.....
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Robert Grumbine
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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In article <jnr1531g4g48ts0r6v5c8n7usvo1b382vr@4ax.com>,
Slimebot McGoo <olderthan@youth.inc> wrote:
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On 20 May 2007 15:26:54 -0700, Ray Martinez <pyramidial@yahoo.com
wrote:
Your slander means you cannot refute
Slander means lying. I can't imagine a statement vile enough to be a
lie about you.
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? It's easy to lie about Ray (granted not with a straight face):
"Ray is unfailingly curteous"
"Ray's arguments are cogent and clearly presented"
"Ray's posts are thoroughly researched and cited"
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And you're completely refuted every time you post.
Completely. Every time.
You're completely delusional and should get help.
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--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences |
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wf3h
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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May 21, 1:27 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Please allow the question to be rhetorical since it is obvious that
you did not take into account the obvious (Jones was and is a
Evolutionist).
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irrelevant. presumably all judges accept atomic theory as well. if
they ruled against someone who said atoms didn't exist, would that
prove judges are 'biased'?
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Again, you keep making the same mistakes. All Atheists rabidly support
and defend Evolution because they know that it proves their worldview.
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scientists and christians support it, too.
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Let me help: take the same standard that you are judging the opponets
of Darwinism and apply it to Darwinists. I think you have confused the
Bible as an enemy when the real culprit is those who misrepresent the
Bible (= Darwinists).
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says the man who mis represents the bible as being literally true when
the bible itself does not say it is literally true.
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Intelligent persons know that Darwinists oppose the Bible
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they oppose YOUR view of the bible. there are 30,000 xtian churches.
which has teh RIGHT view of the bible?
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Please feel free to private email me and I can forward you sources of
information that expose the lies of Darwinists against the Bible.
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please feel free to private email me and i can forward you sources of
information that expose the lies of teh fundies against science.
ray's not even good enough to be a taliban christian. |
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Rolf
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..."
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On May 21, 3:53 pm, Frank J <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 20, 5:57 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 19, 12:13 pm, Frank J <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 19, 1:54 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 19, 9:55 am, Frank J <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 19, 4:34 am, MatthewTan <elearningstre...@gmail.com
wrote:
One way to make oneself world-famous if academic excellence is
lacking : self-corruption.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/michael_fcking_behe_corrupts_a.html
Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is Shamefully
Corrupting
American Science Education
Michael Egnor
Darwinists lack two traits desirable for scientists: decorum
and a
developed sense of irony. University of Minnesota Associate
Professor
of Biology and star Darwinist science blogger P.Z. Myers
provides
evidence for this observation in a recent scatological tirade
on
Pharyngula, the popular Darwinist science blog that is read
daily by
thousands of young scientists and aspiring scientists.
[...]
I added the asterisks. Both Behe and Myers are college biology
professors who teach young biologists and biochemists the
methods of
scientific inquiry and, by example, teach students the
appropriate
standards of scientific discourse.
Which professor is shamefully corrupting American science
education?
Behe of course. Here's why:
Myers' job is to provide technical arguments against
ID/creationism to
other critics. He does that job well, becasue we can tune out
his
irrelevant philosphical arguments, which don't misrepresent the
science anyway. But most noncientists cannot tease apart the
differences, so his arguments, and occasional 4-letter words, if
made
to the general public, would probably help more than hinder the
ID
scammers.
Frank: By calling the IDists scammers you are really saying that
they
are liars; that is, that they know for a fact that ID is false and
are
willfully perpetuating a lie. Can you please tell us what makes
you
think that Dembski or Wells or Behe know that Darwinian
materialism-
evolution is true, and why any one of them are campaigning against
the
truth via ID science?
I have said many times before that I think that they know that they
are misleading the people.
You and an army of other fellow howlers are the only ones saying that,
Frank. It's too bad you have chosen to go the way of broken record Ron
"ID is a scam" Okimoto.
Unfortunatley most of the other "howlers" do *not* say that, but
rather shoot themselves in the foot trying to lump scammed and
scammers under the same "creationist" label, implying honenst belief.
BTW I determined that it is a scam long before I heard Ron's similar
claim. Interestingly you snipped the part where I do thoink the
scammers are motivated by an honest belief that the masses need to be
misled.
Since you and Ron are Darwinists and Behe and Dembski are IDists your
opinions and invective have no objective value whatsoever - entirely
predictable.
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Ray, by your track record I realize that no amount of facts or arguments can
make you see what is obvious to everyone else: that your argument above can
be reversed and applied to you as well:
Since you are a fucking (f-word added to hammer home the argument, a method
I have learned from you, and since you are using it, it must be good?)
confused fundamentalist creationist semi-ID-ist, your opinions and
invectives have no objective value whatosever - entirely predictable.
You see Ray, you are not Superman. Whether you like it or not, you are a
f-ing human being like f-ing everyone else on this planet. You display the
ultimate hubris, by implying that everyone who happens to disagree with you
or Dr. Scott or Dembski is an unreliable, compulsive liar and idiot whose
arguments default to nonsense and doesn't deserve consideration.
While any normal human being, something I must conclude you are not, will
consider his opponent's arguments to see whether they are relevant and
significant.
Yo might just as well forget all about debating the theory of evolution
since you already know in your heart that it is a lie and nothing but a lie
and that everyone who happens to support the theory is a f-ing liar.
So please tell, WTF are you doing her at all? You do not car about arguments
from anhy of your opponents, you already know all you want to know and do
not wnt to know anything else, so what's in it for you? Do you really think
anyone care about your f-ing nonsense?
Now shut up and get that paper ready so we may have some real laughs, what
you have been doing here lately is becoming damn boring.
I have asked you many times for evidence, but you never have referred to a
single verifiable fact. You know, a book is not by itself a fact - it may at
best reference facts that may be investigated. What little of value there is
in the Bible is like a signpost - it may point to spiritual truth for those
whose eyes have been opened like it says about how the apostles eyes had
been opened so they could understand scripture.
The Bible definitely is not a science tutorial.
And you are not the genius you think you are, phew - inferior even to
Dembski!
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 21, 4:51 pm, Mark Nutter <manutte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 21, 6:46 pm, geop...@hotmail.com wrote:
On May 21, 7:27 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Did not the Darwinian Judge rule as expected?
By whom? How does that make him an activist?
Jones was and is a Darwinist, was his ruling ever in doubt?
Was and is he? I don't remember this being claimed before the trial.
That's because it's not true. Jones was and is a conservative
Christian who trusts in Jesus Christ to save his immortal soul by
grace through faith in the finished work of the Cross.
Since he ruled against the theory that says the intelligence of his
Savior's Father is seen in reality, this evidence falsifies your
claim. Since when does a real Christian rule against his God in favor
of the ACLU?
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You have got it all wrong, dumbass - the ruling maybe was against your God -
and your God is you personal delusion. Your personal delusion that you name
God is not identical with the real God, it's as simple as that. But you are
blind to what is obvious to everyone else.
You are evidently confused. To you, anything you disagree with is
self-evidently what you want it to be. With that permanent attitude towards
anything you disgree with, you are lost in the jungle of your confusion.
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You are self-evidently confused, like Jones.
The ruling says Jones is not a Christian. If Jones **thinks*** he is a
Christian then may I point out that so do Mafia Bosses, pedophile
Priests, Ken Miller and Adolf Hitler all claim to be Christians. The
Bible says Judas **thought** he was a Christian too.
Chrisianity is validated and verified by defending the Bible - not
banning it and kissing the ass of the ACLU and shitting on the
Constitution.
Again, you are genuinely confused or a Darwinist attempting to
misrepresent Christianity to be the exact opposite of what it is: a
faith based on facts. Jones is a Darwinist-Atheist according to his
ruling.
He had little
familiarity with evolution before the trial
Are you saying Jones did not graduate college?
Are you saying Jones was uneducated in the Creation-Evolution debate?
Again, you are ignorant or cofused. No educated person fails to have a
position on the Creation-Evolution debate. Are you saying a Federal
Judge had no knowledge of previous rulings on this subject?
Now that I know you are ignorant I will not waste anymore time reading
your posts.
Ray
SNIP....
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..." |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Darwinist Professor: "Michael F**king Behe" Is ..."
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On May 22, 5:40 pm, geop...@hotmail.com wrote:
On May 22, 6:48 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
and therefore cannot be a traitor. Jones is an Atheist-Darwinist based
on his words and actions. Why does he go to Church? All rats go to
Church to justify themselves. I can show you in the New Testament
where demons in possession of certain persons went to the Synagogue
and got along nicely with everyone until Jesus showed up one day.
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Ah, now I see. I have been wondering about you being a Church going rat, but
it is so simple, you are possessed by demons! You should apply for exorcism
at your church ASAP, even befor you finsih your paper! Then come back and
tell us how it went.
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Since you forgot that Jones was a Darwinist and a "Christian" we
see
why you have asked this question.
Actually, I did not know Jones was a darwinist, and I don't believe
you.
Then how do you explain his ruling?
The evidence of the ruling says he is a Darwinist and not a
Creationist. Are you mentally handicapped?
The trial was about ID, silly. JJJ ruled that ID was creationism,
which means it's not allowed in the science classes.
If you're claiming ID /is/ creationism, then all the people who
testified that it wasn't are liars. Should JJJ have ruled in favour of
liars?
Creationism is a scientific theory presenting the evidence of God and
the Constitution says nothing about excluding God from anything.
Darwinists and Atheists have made it say what it does not say. We are
only trying to educate children that God is the Creator and that
Science supports. Please stop making things what they are not. If
Evolution does not oppose God (like you claim) then you have nothing
to worry about. Surely you can agree with that?
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Evolution opposes your god, but since that is not the true God, it is
irrelevant. Until you know the true God, you are just making silly noises of
no value. Now show evidence you know the true God. I know you can't - simply
by applying Jesus' own method: By the fruits we know the tree!
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