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 Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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The humanists believe there is an infinite string of time on which you can
find a speck called "The Universe", in which a magical bang gave birth to
matter and energy. After the stars and planets magically formed, containing
heavy elements of mystical origin, the common ancestor was born through a
miraculous birth having no parents. Now the Humanists worship the common
ancestor and the man who fabricated their mythology.
(I get the biggest chuckle out of their magical life fluid called
"Protoplasm". But hey, even simple-minded mythologies need some kind of
explanation.)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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On Aug 14, 11:23 pm, "WDS" <wdsnews.0...@oregoncity.com> wrote:
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The humanists believe there is an infinite string of time on which you can
find a speck called "The Universe", in which a magical bang gave birth to
matter and energy. After the stars and planets magically formed, containing
heavy elements of mystical origin, the common ancestor was born through a
miraculous birth having no parents. Now the Humanists worship the common
ancestor and the man who fabricated their mythology.
The idea that "there is an infinite string of time" is actually a |
minority view at the moment (limited to a few adherents to the "steady-
state" universe and an uncertain number of supporters of the "cyclic
ekpyrotic universe"). The notion that gravity, electromagnetism, and
the strong and weak nuclear forces are "magical" will, I suspect,
bemuse a great many cosmologists and particle physicists. It is a
matter of no vast consequence to evolutionary theory whether life
originated "miraculously" or naturally, or, for that matter, has
always existed and did not originate at all, but abiogenesis
researchers presumably assume the origin of life was not miraculous;
miracles are not something one can hope to analyze into component
causes and steps that can be duplicated in the laboratory. Note that
the Big Bang and evolutionary theory were developed by several
different people, and I think there were no scientists who worked on
both except, perhaps, George Gamow.
I notice that nowhere in your post is there even the sketch of an
argument that science actually states that any aspect of Big Bang
cosmology or common descent is "mythology."
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(I get the biggest chuckle out of their magical life fluid called
"Protoplasm". But hey, even simple-minded mythologies need some kind of
explanation.)
Then you will doubtless be downhearted to know that biology no longer |
recognizes any such thing as "protoplasm."
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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But the Big Bang does not violate everything that science has discovered
about physics.
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oh brother. You obviously don't know the difference between discovery and
conjecture, the difference between truth and mythology. There isn't any
place in science that we've discovered a change in cosmological constants.
All the conjecturing about changes in these constants under the conditions
of the singularity doesn't make them true. Such truth only exists for the
philosophical atheist who puts his faith in such conjectures because to him,
truth depends on who is telling it.
Your atheist clergy have misled you. Perhaps you should read about the
difference between education and brainwashing.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:29:00 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism
"WDS" <wdsnews.0605@oregoncity.com> wrote in
<46cb5b1a$0$16300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
But the Big Bang does not violate everything that science has discovered
about physics.
oh brother. You obviously don't know the difference between discovery and
conjecture, the difference between truth and mythology. There isn't any
place in science that we've discovered a change in cosmological constants.
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What does that have to do with your false claim? You falsely claimed
that:
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the Big Bang violates everything science has revealed about physics
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That claim is not only unsupported by you, but is unsupportable. As far
as I know, all of the evidence shows that you are wrong. Still, I am
willing to entertain any evidence that you can point to which supports
your claim.
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All the conjecturing about changes in these constants under the conditions
of the singularity doesn't make them true. Such truth only exists for the
philosophical atheist who puts his faith in such conjectures because to him,
truth depends on who is telling it.
Your atheist clergy have misled you. Perhaps you should read about the
difference between education and brainwashing.
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Provide _evidence_ not rhetorical sleight-of-hand. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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Provide _evidence_ not rhetorical sleight-of-hand.
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You trolls crack me up. If you and your brethren are willing to claim that
the cosmological constants changed within the singularity, then it is up to
you to provide evidence to support your claim.
Do you not know how science works? Perhaps you don't know what a
singularity is? Maybe you're not aware that the cosmological constants used
by philosophical scientists to calculate a condition that would allow a Big
Bang, are different from the cosmological constants that have been observed
and measured?
Perhaps education is all you need. Then you could think, and all would be
well.
That's all.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:41:27 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism
"WDS" <wdsnews.0605@oregoncity.com> wrote in
<46cb6c14$0$16309$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
Provide _evidence_ not rhetorical sleight-of-hand.
You trolls crack me up. If you and your brethren are willing to claim that
the cosmological constants changed within the singularity, then it is up to
you to provide evidence to support your claim.
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And where did you get the idea that that was necessary?
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Do you not know how science works? Perhaps you don't know what a
singularity is? Maybe you're not aware that the cosmological constants used
by philosophical scientists to calculate a condition that would allow a Big
Bang, are different from the cosmological constants that have been observed
and measured?
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We all know that we don't know enough about the Big Bang to make
absolute statements about the conditions under which it happened. Since
that is that case, your decision to point to certain speculation about
those conditions is totally meaningless.
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Perhaps education is all you need. Then you could think, and all would be
well.
That's all. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Science Says: Humanism is mythology |
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If you observe the troll profession for long, you'll notice various trolls
changing personality from time to time. Sometime between now and the last
time I spent time here, Free Lunch became automated. Clearly the code
writer for the Free Lunch persona has some debugging to do. ...sorry dude.
Your work isn't very convincing.
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:14umc3h8popqric3flpoe30m8dg0o5uk5o@4ax.com...
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:41:27 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism
"WDS" <wdsnews.0605@oregoncity.com> wrote in
46cb6c14$0$16309$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
"Free Lunch" wrote in message
Provide _evidence_ not rhetorical sleight-of-hand.
You trolls crack me up. If you and your brethren are willing to claim
that
the cosmological constants changed within the singularity, then it is up
to
you to provide evidence to support your claim.
And where did you get the idea that that was necessary?
Do you not know how science works? Perhaps you don't know what a
singularity is? Maybe you're not aware that the cosmological constants
used
by philosophical scientists to calculate a condition that would allow a
Big
Bang, are different from the cosmological constants that have been
observed
and measured?
We all know that we don't know enough about the Big Bang to make
absolute statements about the conditions under which it happened. Since
that is that case, your decision to point to certain speculation about
those conditions is totally meaningless.
Perhaps education is all you need. Then you could think, and all would be
well.
That's all.
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