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The_Carpathia
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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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When a news item came out about Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, Obama
(who never served in the military to know of it first hand) pointed to
a supposed (and questionable) story about an uncle who reportedly
helped free Jews from a concentration camp and, afterwards, locked
himself in an attic for 6 months.
This obviously was meant to try to fix his "Jewish problem" by
pointing to a distant relative that helped free the Jews (without
referencing whether they were killed there or not). However, it
raises a very hard situation for Obama. Either the Post Tramatic
Stress of his uncle was a consequence of honorable service in a needed
war (same as the Iraq war), or he is saying that both the Iraqi
soldiers and his uncle suffered PTSD is a war they should not have
been sent in which to fight. Which is it? His uncle and the US
Soldiers were wrong (and the Jews should've been left there to die),
or some wars are just and needed?
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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On May 27, 9:01 pm, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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When a news item came out about Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, Obama
(who never served in the military to know of it first hand) pointed to
a supposed (and questionable) story about an uncle who reportedly
helped free Jews from a concentration camp and, afterwards, locked
himself in an attic for 6 months.
This obviously was meant to try to fix his "Jewish problem" by
pointing to a distant relative that helped free the Jews (without
referencing whether they were killed there or not). However, it
raises a very hard situation for Obama. Either the Post Tramatic
Stress of his uncle was a consequence of honorable service in a needed
war (same as the Iraq war), or he is saying that both the Iraqi
soldiers and his uncle suffered PTSD is a war they should not have
been sent in which to fight. Which is it? His uncle and the US
Soldiers were wrong (and the Jews should've been left there to die),
or some wars are just and needed?
Kenneth Clifton
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More on Obama's dubious great uncle story. Obama, first, claimed his
uncle got Post Tramatic Stress from being part of the group that freed
Auschwitz. However, this proved untrue by GOP investigation. So, the
official word from Obama's camp was that the story was true, it was
just the wrong camp. NOW, it was that his great uncle helped free
Buchenwald of it's jewish prisoners, as part of the 89th Infantry
Division.
However, upon my own digging, Buchenwald was freed by the 83rd
Division.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_camp
So, if his great uncle was in the 89th, he wasn't there, either.
Further, this camp wasn't an extermination camp, by the above source.
In fact, one of the leading Holocaust deniers was emcamped, there.
This supposed war related story by the non-soldier Presidential
candidate just keeps changing. Obama seems to have been caught in one
of his lies.
Kenneth Clifton |
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
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When a news item came out about Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, Obama
(who never served in the military to know of it first hand) pointed to
a supposed (and questionable) story about an uncle who reportedly
helped free Jews from a concentration camp
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The "questionable" part was the name of the concentration camp that
the uncle helped liberate. Obama misremembered the name, not the
event.
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This obviously was meant to try to fix his "Jewish problem"
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What does Obama's uncle have to do with Obama's so-called "Jewish
problem"?
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Either the Post Tramatic
Stress of his uncle was a consequence of honorable service in a needed
war (same as the Iraq war)
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The Iraq war was/is NOT a "needed war". WW II was an unavoidable war,
once Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the US.
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Which is it? His uncle and the US
Soldiers were wrong (and the Jews should've been left there to die),
or some wars are just and needed?
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Some wars are unavoidable because the enemy attacks you. Iraq never
attacked the US.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org |
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
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More on Obama's dubious great uncle story. Obama, first, claimed his
uncle got Post Tramatic Stress from being part of the group that freed
Auschwitz. However, this proved untrue by GOP investigation. So, the
official word from Obama's camp was that the story was true, it was
just the wrong camp. NOW, it was that his great uncle helped free
Buchenwald of it's jewish prisoners, as part of the 89th Infantry
Division.
However, upon my own digging, Buchenwald was freed by the 83rd
Division.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_camp
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Langenstein was freed by the 83rd. It was part of Buchenwald. Other
units freed other parts of Buchenwald.
According to the US Holocaust Museum, as quoted by AP:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gNkvSiSauxhPfxU7ZoayuBKSA8GgD90UDMF80
<Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet forces as they marched across Poland
< in January 1945. The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum says Americans
< liberated several death camps in Germany, including Buchenwald,
< Dachau and Mauthausen.
<"On April 4, 1945, the 89th overran Ohrdruf, a subcamp of the
< Buchenwald concentration camp. Ohrdruf was the first Nazi
< concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany," according to
< the museum. "A week later, on April 12, Generals Dwight D.
< Eisenhower, George S. Patton, and Omar Bradley visited Ohrdruf to
< see, firsthand, evidence of Nazi atrocities against concentration
< camp prisoners."
Obviously, the Wikipedia entry is missing this information.
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So, if his great uncle was in the 89th, he wasn't there, either.
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Except that he was.
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Further, this camp wasn't an extermination camp, by the above source.
In fact, one of the leading Holocaust deniers was emcamped, there.
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Buchenwald was a "death camp" according to the Holocaust Museum.
According to your wikipedia source:
<According to the same source, the total number of deaths at Buchenwald
< is estimated at 56,545.[6]
....
<This total (56,545) corresponds to a death rate of 24 percent assuming
< that the number of persons passing through the camp according to
< documents left by the SS, 238,380 prisoners, is accurate.[9]
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This supposed war related story by the non-soldier Presidential
candidate just keeps changing. Obama seems to have been caught in one
of his lies.
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No. Kennie Clifton has been caught in one of HIS lies.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org |
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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On May 27, 11:49 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
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The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
When a news item came out about Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, Obama
(who never served in the military to know of it first hand) pointed to
a supposed (and questionable) story about an uncle who reportedly
helped free Jews from a concentration camp
The "questionable" part was the name of the concentration camp that
the uncle helped liberate. Obama misremembered the name, not the
event.
This obviously was meant to try to fix his "Jewish problem"
What does Obama's uncle have to do with Obama's so-called "Jewish
problem"?
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Of all the wars he could have referenced, Obama just happens to
mention a jewish liberation at a camp not used for extermination.
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Either the Post Tramatic
Stress of his uncle was a consequence of honorable service in a needed
war (same as the Iraq war)
The Iraq war was/is NOT a "needed war". WW II was an unavoidable war,
once Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the US.
Which is it? His uncle and the US
Soldiers were wrong (and the Jews should've been left there to die),
or some wars are just and needed?
Some wars are unavoidable because the enemy attacks you. Iraq never
attacked the US.
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Germany didn't attack the US, before our entrance into the war.
Serbia didn't attack the US, before Clinton sent troops into war in
Kosovo and Bosnia. You were saying?
Kenneth Clifton |
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MACK DADDY
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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On May 28, 3:32 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
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The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 27, 11:49 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
When a news item came out about Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, Obama
(who never served in the military to know of it first hand) pointed to
a supposed (and questionable) story about an uncle who reportedly
helped free Jews from a concentration camp
The "questionable" part was the name of the concentration camp that
the uncle helped liberate. Obama misremembered the name, not the
event.
This obviously was meant to try to fix his "Jewish problem"
What does Obama's uncle have to do with Obama's so-called "Jewish
problem"?
Of all the wars he could have referenced, Obama just happens to
mention a jewish liberation at a camp not used for extermination.
It happens to be the one his uncle was involved in, and while it
wasn't "used for extermination", it was a damned nasty place that
caused his uncle severe psychological trauma, which as you pointed out
in your original post was the contextual reason for the remark.
Either the Post Tramatic
Stress of his uncle was a consequence of honorable service in a needed
war (same as the Iraq war)
The Iraq war was/is NOT a "needed war". WW II was an unavoidable war,
once Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the US.
Which is it? His uncle and the US
Soldiers were wrong (and the Jews should've been left there to die),
or some wars are just and needed?
Some wars are unavoidable because the enemy attacks you. Iraq never
attacked the US.
Germany didn't attack the US, before our entrance into the war.
They formally declared war on the US. Furthermore, there had been a
war in progress for more than 2 years before the US got involved.
Serbia didn't attack the US, before Clinton sent troops into war in
Kosovo and Bosnia. You were saying?
There was a war in progress long before the US got involved.
There was no war in progress in Iraq before we invaded.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
loj...@lojban.org Lojban languagewww.lojban.org- Hide quoted text -
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You're right on the money, Bob! We invaded Iraq for no reason, or a
very bad reason! |
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: Re: Obama Caught Between Iraq and a Hard Place, Again |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On May 27, 11:49 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
When a news item came out about Post Tramatic Stress Disorder, Obama
(who never served in the military to know of it first hand) pointed to
a supposed (and questionable) story about an uncle who reportedly
helped free Jews from a concentration camp
The "questionable" part was the name of the concentration camp that
the uncle helped liberate. Obama misremembered the name, not the
event.
This obviously was meant to try to fix his "Jewish problem"
What does Obama's uncle have to do with Obama's so-called "Jewish
problem"?
Of all the wars he could have referenced, Obama just happens to
mention a jewish liberation at a camp not used for extermination.
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It happens to be the one his uncle was involved in, and while it
wasn't "used for extermination", it was a damned nasty place that
caused his uncle severe psychological trauma, which as you pointed out
in your original post was the contextual reason for the remark.
| Quote: |
Either the Post Tramatic
Stress of his uncle was a consequence of honorable service in a needed
war (same as the Iraq war)
The Iraq war was/is NOT a "needed war". WW II was an unavoidable war,
once Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the US.
Which is it? His uncle and the US
Soldiers were wrong (and the Jews should've been left there to die),
or some wars are just and needed?
Some wars are unavoidable because the enemy attacks you. Iraq never
attacked the US.
Germany didn't attack the US, before our entrance into the war.
|
They formally declared war on the US. Furthermore, there had been a
war in progress for more than 2 years before the US got involved.
| Quote: |
Serbia didn't attack the US, before Clinton sent troops into war in
Kosovo and Bosnia. You were saying?
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There was a war in progress long before the US got involved.
There was no war in progress in Iraq before we invaded.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org |
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